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Old 10-22-2008, 12:56 AM
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Post New product, XTAR SSC P7-C2 900-Lumen set Flashlight

XTAR SSC P7-C2 900-Lumen set Flashlight(FS-P7-XC2) $72.40
http://www.szwholesale.com/-p-1985.html

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Old 10-31-2008, 04:19 AM
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Pretty Gift for Xmas!!!







Let's see what this whole set of XTAR Flashlightcontains:
1xXTAR SSC P7-C2 Flashlight
2xXTAR 18650 Rechargeable Protected Batteries
UltraFire WF-137 Charger
XTAR 101 Holster
One stand-by "O"ring sealed circle
One stand-by Tailcap switch
One delicate sturdy packing box
MORE SPECIFIC DESCRIPTIONS:


--Super Bright SSC- P7 LED(Z-Power LED P7 series) provides incredible high brightness of 900 lumens.

--LED can last for 50,000 hours;High-low adjustable brightness.

--Enhanced self-defense, designed to mount on certain hand pistols, rifles and shotguns with proper mounting equipment.

--Waterproof,high-quality,one of the best portable outdoor flashlights for searching,camping,etc.Also good for daily use.

NOTEO NOT USE TWO 123A BATTERIES INTO THIS FLASHLIGHT.





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Your other thread was a duplicate of post #2 here, so I have deleted it.
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: New product, XTAR SSC P7-C2 900-Lumen set Flashlight

Thanks for your info. But they are different product, one is FS-P7-XC, the other is FS-P7-XC2.

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Old 10-31-2008, 06:59 AM
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Well, I've just wasted another 5 minutes comparing them, and I'm danged if I can see any difference. It is ridiculous to have 2 threads for such similar products. Please put them in the same thread, preferably with a post which points out the differences (if there are any). I am deleting the other thread.
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: New product, XTAR SSC P7-C2 900-Lumen set Flashlight

Another product, Pretty Gift for Xmas Too!!!
XTAR SSC P7-C 900-Lumen set Flashlight(FS-P7-XC)





Wholesale site:
http://www.szwholesale.com/-p-1985.html

Retail site:
http://www.qualitychinagoods.com/-p-1125.html

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Default Re: New product, XTAR SSC P7-C2 900-Lumen set Flashlight

Which one is true? Runtime or Lumen Output?

If it can produce 900 lumens at maximum, then "2+hours" runtime at max is not possible on one R18650.

How much current to the emitter? Let's stop the deception.

Just because the emitter is capable of 900 lumens, you should not put it on a flashlight that only achieves half the current required to do so.

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Which one is true? Runtime or Lumen Output?

If it can produce 900 lumens at maximum, then "2+hours" runtime at max is not possible on one R18650.

How much current to the emitter? Let's stop the deception.

Just because the emitter is capable of 900 lumens, you should not put it on a flashlight that only achieves half the current required to do so.
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the current is about 1.8A, and the runtime is about 1 hour.
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the current is about 1.8A, and the runtime is about 1 hour.
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Assuming this current is measured at the emitter, that would be around 500 lumens.

It takes 2800 mA to produce 700 lumens typically (Ref SSC's P7 datasheet)

How can the flashlight be advertized 900 lumens? Does it need different batteries to achieve that promise?

I'm interested, but only if get a flashlight truly capable of over 700 lumens (I've been let down before... reference removed)

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EngrPaul, that last comment (beginning "just like...") is out of line. Please remove it.
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EngrPaul, that last comment (beginning "just like...") is out of line. Please remove it.
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Old 11-02-2008, 01:11 AM
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Assuming this current is measured at the emitter, that would be around 500 lumens.

It takes 2800 mA to produce 700 lumens typically (Ref SSC's P7 datasheet)

How can the flashlight be advertized 900 lumens? Does it need different batteries to achieve that promise?

I'm interested, but only if get a flashlight truly capable of over 700 lumens (I've been let down before... reference removed)

So sorry that I can't test its luminous flux myself, and Max 900-Lumen isManufactory supplied, and you can see most similar product say Max 900-Lumen. it il real very bright.

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Old 11-02-2008, 01:32 AM
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Does the previous comment mean that it is NOT 900-lumen?
If so it may be an idea to either remove this claim from the item description or at the very least add the line 'Manufacturer Claims 900-lumen'. Just my personal opinion but if I had bought this item based on the product description, and had since measured the output at say 500-lumen, then I think I would have felt misled and quite disappointed!

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So sorry that I can't test its luminous flux myself, and Max 900-Lumen isManufactory supplied, and you can see most similar product say Max 900-Lumen. it il real very bright.

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Thanks for your answers, David. I understand!
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:20 AM
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http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...66#post2686466


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I have just received the XTAR SSC P7-C & XTAR SSCP7-C2 sets from Dae & Weihua at http://www.qualitychinagoods.com/ so i thought i would post a review of them here before i give them away, so here it is:

First some photos:

The nice color packaging:

XTAR SSCP7-C2 set



XTAR SSC P7-C set



What you get in the set:
1pc. Flashlight
1pc. Ultrafire WF-137 Charger
2pcs. XTAR Protected 2400mAh 18650
1pc. Spare Clickie Switch
1pc. Spare O-Ring
1pc. Very Nice Carry Pouch

XTAR SSCP7-C2


XTAR SSC P7-C


The Flashlights:

XTAR SSCP7-C2


XTAR SSC P7-C


Side By Side - XTAR SSCP7-C2 Top XTAR SSC P7-C bottom


Side By Side - XTAR SSCP7-C2 Right XTAR SSC P7-C Left


The Flashlights "In the nude"

XTAR SSCP7-C2


XTAR SSC P7-C


Side by Side Beam shot XTAR SSCP7-C2 Left XTAR SSC P7-C Right:




Under exposed beamshot to show hotspot detail (the same for both):


Now for some details:

Body & General construction :

Both are well machined and all the parts fit together nicely. Both are easily dismanteled with no glues in the threads. They both fit nicely in the hand and are well balanced, the grooves and knurling provide adequate grip. Having large hands i prefer the XTAR SSC P7-C as it is longer but my GF likes the XTAR SSCP7-C2 as she has smaller hands. I am not sure about the anodizing but it appears to be normal type II. They are both well sealed from the environment having at least one or two lubed o-rings in every seam. The XTAR SSCP7-C2 will tail stand whilst the XTAR SSC P7-C will not.
The flutes in the XTAR SSCP7-C2 will not let it roll off whilst the ones on the XTAR SSC P7-C do not do a very good job at not letting it roll off. In both the provided protected 18650 fits easily with some extra space so the battery does rattle a bit when the lights are shaked.

The Business End:

Both flashlights have an OP aluminum reflector, a Glass lens and an SSC P7 LED.
In the ones i got the LED in the XTAR SSCP7-C2 has a warmer color.
The reflector in the XTAR SSCP7-C2 is shorter and wider than the one in the XTAR SSC P7-C thus the beam in the XTAR SSC P7-C is a bit narrower but the side spill is brighter. I cannot see much difference in the hotspot.
In both lights the hotspot has a small donut hole in the middle which is visible on a white wall at a distance of more than 1 meter but not if it is closer. The donut hole in the XTAR SSCP7-C2 is very slightly smaller than on the XTAR SSC P7-C. The beam is smooth on both lights with no artefacts apart for the small donut hole.
In both the LED's are mounted onto a brass HS that screws into the body which should ensure a good heat transfer. After 20 minutes of operation in free standing still air on high mode in both lights the whole light becomes warm but not enough to cause discomfort proving a good heat transfer.

Electrics:

In both lights the LED's seem to be direct driven from the 18650 and both have two modes: High and Low. The modes are selected by clicking the tail clickie switch in the following order 1st click - High, 2nd click - Low, 3rd click - Off. The light level is reduced by a simple resistor in the switch.
The XTAR SSCP7-C2 draws 2.10A from a freshly charged battery on high and 0.18A on low.
The XTAR SSCP7-C draws 2.0A from a freshly charged battery on high and 0.18A on low.
If bypassing the switch the XTAR SSCP7-C2 draws 2.5A from the battery whereas the XTAR SSCP7-C draws 2.4A proving that the switch has some internal resistance. I cannot tell if the leds are driven to the 2.8A spec however it seems that the XTAR SSCP7-C2 i have has an led with a lower Vf than the led in the XTAR SSCP7-C which is why it is pulling a bit more from the battery.
I did not measure the runtime but from the draw currents they both should last at least about 1 hour on high and over 10 hours on low.

Output:

Both lights are very bright and put to shame all my other lights. I have no way of measuring lumens so i cannot verify the manufacturers claims i do have a light meter and here are the lux readings @ 1 meter:
XTAR SSCP7-C - 4900 Lux on high & 490 Lux on low
XTAR SSCP7-C2 - 6000 Lux on high & 550 Lux on low
Though one would expect that the one with the deeper reflector should have a higher lux reading i suspect that the slightly smaller donut hole and higher current in the XTAR SSCP7-C2 is why it has a higher lux reading.

These lights are not meant to be throwers but they put a lot of light out in the medium range whilst still being useful in the long range due to the sheer amount of light going out the front.

EDIT:
Runtime Test Results:
I conducted a small runtime test on the XTAR SSCP7-C using a lightly used battery ( same one i used for the other lux readings and fooling around )

Time = 0 minutes - Lux = 4700
Time = 10 minutes - Lux = 4660
Time = 20 minutes - Lux = 4630
Time = 30 minutes - Lux = 4600
Time = 40 minutes - Lux = 4550
Time = 50 minutes - Lux = 4190
Time = 60 minutes - Lux = 3520
Time = 70 minutes - Lux = 2440

After the 70 minute test the battery voltage was 3.32V and the current being drawn was 650mA so after 70 minutes it was still about as bright as a single Cree XR-E flashlight.

End Of Edit

Other Things:

I really like the quality of the included pouch in both lights. It has a velvet like interior and closes both with velcro and a clip. It appears to be well made.

Negatives:

The only thing i see wrong in both lights is the 900 lumen claim as i am quite certain that it is not so. It might be possible to reach the 900 lumens with some modding but not in the original configuration. The donut hole might also be annoying to some.

Conclusion:

Both lights are of good quality and are well constructed and should withstand abbuse. The accessories they come with in the set are also of good quality. They are both very bright for their size. From a personal point of view i prefer the XTAR SSCP7-C mostly for aesthetic reasons and that it fits better in my big hands.
Otherwise, apart for the above negatives i really like both lights.
And happily they are good value for money.

Thanks for reading my first review
P.S. Pardon my bad photography

Mike
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How you see 2.5 ampers from the battery i check it and it is only 1.4
What type of battery did you put?
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None of the external product links seem to work. Is this light actually for sale?
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Why is this labeled as new? The review and that thread you linked to is a year old.
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Why is this labeled as new? The review and that thread you linked to is a year old.
That's because it was new at the time that the 1st post you are referring to was created.

Have a look at the date. (10-22-2008).
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ahhh, i noticed the thread he directed us to was old but didn't see satmatrix unearthed this dead body from a year ago.
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Maybe a little bit too late for a C2 bodied P7 flashlight.
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EDIT: wow this is an old thread, i don't think what i said is relevant. It's probably a good light back then.



yeah why use generic model? there are plenty P7 light with that design already.
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How you see 2.5 ampers from the battery i check it and it is only 1.4
What type of battery did you put?
this flashlight is like the sku 19767 : c2 body, same dropin, direct drived in high and with resistance of 6 ohms in low

the current in high with the battery at 4.2v must be greater to 3 amps measuring with thick wires and the runtime is around 1.5 hours........in reality more of 1,5 hours but after 1.5 hours the output is really really low

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