Veleno Designs E2S - E series replacement head

[kuku427]

Hi Joe,
No actually the narrowest is the XP-E.
I'm still tweaking it to see just how much power I can give it.

[hron61]

im up in the air on a single mode or a multi mode so i just might do both but need to clear some ? i have about the single mode version. what is the runtime ( i will be using a 17670) in my e2e and wondering about runtime, otf lumens. this is the one im interested in... Single mode 1000ma XP-G medium beam (1.8 - 4.2V) in the hi cri flavor. thanks for your time.

[Joe Talmadge]

Hi Joe,
No actually the narrowest is the XP-E.
I'm still tweaking it to see just how much power I can give it.

Thanks Steve. What's XP-E up to these days as far as luminous flux? R2-R4?

Also, if you don't mind, could you address the question about the xp-g 1.4A vs E2DL: which has more throw? I'm trying to figure out if I should wait for the XP-E or not...

[kuku427]

im up in the air on a single mode or a multi mode so i just might do both but need to clear some ? i have about the single mode version. what is the runtime ( i will be using a 17670) in my e2e and wondering about runtime, otf lumens. this is the one im interested in... Single mode 1000ma XP-G medium beam (1.8 - 4.2V) in the hi cri flavor. thanks for your time.

Runtime will be a little over 1 hour. Lower lumens though at around 170 due to the high CRI led.
If you wait a little you can get the multimodes.

Thanks Steve. What's XP-E up to these days as far as luminous flux? R2-R4?
Also, if you don't mind, could you address the question about the xp-g 1.4A vs E2DL: which has more throw? I'm trying to figure out if I should wait for the XP-E or not...

R4 WH is what I have in stock for the XP-E.
I would say they are pretty close to even with the XP-G covering a more area with the same brightness.

[1974Harry]

kuku427,

These look great and are obviously an excellent way to upgrade your Surefire E series lights. I am definitely interested in acquiring a two mode version at some point about which I have fired you an email about privately.

Best regards

Harry

[BigBluefish]

These look very interesting. If they work with the resistored tailcap of the L1, as a previous poster had asked, then you can have a two level light with the one-mode head, or revert to the clicky tailcap for a single mode light. Pretty slick. Does anyone know whether an A2 tailcap would accomplish the same thing, or is it set up differently than the L1 tailcap?

Thinking "EX2S Hi CRI" (what every hiker/camper has been wanting....)

[kuku427]

These look very interesting. If they work with the resistored tailcap of the L1, as a previous poster had asked, then you can have a two level light with the one-mode head, or revert to the clicky tailcap for a single mode light. Pretty slick. Does anyone know whether an A2 tailcap would accomplish the same thing, or is it set up differently than the L1 tailcap?
Thinking "EX2S Hi CRI" (what every hiker/camper has been wanting....)

IIRC they are the same design.
The important thing is getting the resistor value so I can assemble one and try it out first.

[AKflash]

I emailed about how to place an order for:

Single mode 2000ma XM-L wide beam (4.5 - 18V) in BLACK

I didn't want to send a blind paypal without contacting you. Please PM me or email me at mmgods(at)gci(dot)net. Thanks!

Edit, thanks again

[kuku427]

Slight delay.
I was going to ship out a batch today, but I thought it would be better to give the epoxy one more day to cure.
Not quite rock hard yet.

[rocled]

After a few days sitting in ISC L.A., I finally got mine today. The tint is great, and it is bright! The head is shorter than my E1B head and the SF filters fit just fine. Great addition to my VG FB1 body, small and powerful! Seems to be just as bright with a primary too. Thanks!

[kuku427]

[RWT1405]

Sent out my payment today, as per our E-mails, for (2) Single mode 2000ma XM-L (4.5 - 18v) heads, (1) in black & (1) in natural; both cool white tints.

Thanks again for your prompt responses to my E-mails!

RWT1405

[RWT1405]

Also, any chance of what I can expect for ballpark output & runtimes with those 2000ma XM-L's, running (2) CR123.

Thanks!

[MeMyselfAndI]

High/lows will be available in the future.

That sounds very interesting, hopefully two modes without memory

[kuku427]

Also, any chance of what I can expect for ballpark output & runtimes with those 2000ma XM-L's, running (2) CR123.
Thanks!

40 mins with a long taper.

That sounds very interesting, hopefully two modes without memory

That is definitely one of the options that I am shooting for.
Now to find an EE that can deliver...

[Erzengel]

That sounds like You want to use a driver custom designed for You. that sounds great in the times of an abundance of custom lights with the same annoying 7135-based driver.

[kuku427]

Actually these are already running on custom drivers.
Didn't like the timing on the batch the last EE turned in though.

[FORCETEN]

Patiently waiting for the multiple mode heads!

[kuku427]

Me too.
Right now its time for another bout of designer vs engineer...

[jabe1]

My money's on the designer.

[yazkaz]

Interested in this module but find that pricing is a bit steep IMO. Also, any reliability problems in the long run? Can the module last long without maintenance issues eg. electronics problem (when used properly)? Asking this because I've had some bad experience with the custom M3 tower module a while back (module powers up a few times then dies).

Additional questions:

a. What's the advantage of this head unit (with 1A driver) over LF's version? How is the build quality of this E2S compared with the LF model?
b. How good is regulation on the 1A models (XPG, XML) compared to the LF model? Can flat regulation be maintained? What custom drivers are used on these models?
c. How much more output and heat does the 1A XML model yield over the 1A XPG model? Can effective heatsinking be maintained on the XML model?
d. Any contact problems with this module when applied on other generic E-series bodies (eg. VG)? Last time I tried, the LF head module does have some contact problem with a VG body (FB2 to be exact) when used with certain RCR123s (eg. current AW batches). With CR123s or single 17670 however there's no contact problem.

Please advise.

[kuku427]

Interested in this module but find that pricing is a bit steep IMO. Also, any reliability problems in the long run? Can the module last long without maintenance issues eg. electronics problem (when used properly)? Asking this because I've had some bad experience with the custom M3 tower module a while back (module powers up a few times then dies).
Additional questions:
a. What's the advantage of this head unit (with 1A driver) over LF's version? How is the build quality of this E2S compared with the LF model?
b. How good is regulation on the 1A models (XPG, XML) compared to the LF model? Can flat regulation be maintained? What custom drivers are used on these models?
c. How much more output and heat does the 1A XML model yield over the 1A XPG model? Can effective heatsinking be maintained on the XML model?
d. Any contact problems with this module when applied on other generic E-series bodies (eg. VG)? Last time I tried, the LF head module does have some contact problem with a VG body (FB2 to be exact) when used with certain RCR123s (eg. current AW batches). With CR123s or single 17670 however there's no contact problem.
Please advise.

1. That price ain't coming down.
2. Long run... I've just started sales so... no data. The only data I have is two protos doing bike duty for 1 hour every day for 2 months straight.
a. You're going to have to decide the first part on your own. An answer from me regarding the second part would be biased and I'd rather leave that to other buyers.
b. Regulation is a matter of whether the cell you are using can maintain output levels defined by the driver while being sucked dry of power. Can it be maintained... depends on your setup. What custom drivers... not sure what you mean. I will say that the chip used is manufactured by TI.
c. Trick question. XML runs cooler. Yields 20 more lumen than the XP-G S2. Maintain effective heatsinking? 1 amp? Yes.
d. I don't have a VG body. I don't have LF heads either.

[rocled]

IMHO, the price is great for what you get. I really wanted a two mode, however I find I prefer this single mode only light just fine. I have plenty of multi mode lights, so it's nice to have a single mode light. I currently have mine on a VG FB2 body with a 17670 and it's a great setup. Very pocketable and with the pocket clip of the VG this is a great EDC. The tint of my XPG S2 is great, I ordered a cool white and the tint is almost neutral. Lights up my entire backyard just fine. Thanks for this once again it's a winner!

[blkdawg]

[yazkaz]

While I wasn't exactly complaining about the price last time, I now have a few more questions:

1. Can the head assy be easily dissembled at the user side for maintenance purposes (ie. lens replacement, internal cleaning, third-party surface treatment of host eg. cerakote)?

2. How well is the lens protected from accidental breakage (shattering etc.)? Is the UCL tempered? (Have heard of user compalints on lens breakage problem on competitor's product)

3. What are the warranty policies on this head unit? If it breaks (eg. electronics go dead), will it be replaced or repaired?

[kuku427]

1. No, the driver is potted. Optics cavity sealed.
2. The lens is backed by plastic and an oring. There should be enough protection with the exception of direct impacts.
3. Repair and or replace for 3 years. Pretty much the same as for the E modules.

[yazkaz]

1. No, the driver is potted. Optics cavity sealed.

Of course the driver is to be potted, but what I actually mean is, can this entire light engine (ie. pill) be removed from the housing, along with the optics? Do you actually lock the threads so that the frontal lens bezel ring cannot be screwed out from the main head assy?

Also can you explain a bit more on the sealing of the "optics cavity." I don't seem to get the picture.

[kuku427]

No, you cannot remove the LE.
The bezel is threadlocked.

Also. The remaining stock of E2S heads have been bulk ordered and are sold pending funds.

[iqwozpoom]

Does anyone have lux numbers yet?

[Joe Talmadge]

I picked up a 1.4A XPG, and love it so far. I'm running it on 2xCR123 right now, but am mulling over a switch to 2xRCR123. I have no way to measure lumens or lux, but it's throwing a good deal more total light than my malkoff/valiant (based on ceiling test), with a slightly less perfect beam, with a much brighter corona. I did some quick throw tests last night and it seemed like Steve's head throws a bit farther... I really need to get back outside and hit some farther objects to see if that's really true.