Jeers to ChipZero

[roverjohn]

Am I the only one that thinks PayPal is somewhat complicit here? If chipzero has a habit of this certainly PayPal would know about it.

Chipzero seems to be looking for a Gatlight if someone doesn't want to get paid for one.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...light=CHIPZERO

[DM51]

Chipzero seems to be looking for a Gatlight if someone doesn't want to get paid for one.

LOL - love the irony! I've closed that one too.

And let's not try to divert any of the opprobrium on to PayPal... PP is what it is, like it or not. Any criticism of PP belongs elsewhere.

[yellow]

Hi all,
just found a link to this thread and read the whole story.
Extremely dissatisfying and - unfortunatley - I have to admit that I do opt for a side, the one of 7777s.

Here in Austria - directly south of Germany - it is quite easy to say everything is pretty much the same than in Germany (slight differences, but thats not important now)
* NO WAY one can find these lights on flea markets, not even when these are special, expensive markets in major city
(and especially unlikely for one that ordered just these lights)
* no note from customs does not indicate for anything. At least it is no "proof" that a shipment "has not been delivered".
Sure, the last years customs got considerably "better" (=worse) but I can speak for still a one out of three chance that they catch a shipment.
* there never was the question of fraud, so why is an answer into that direction the 1st reaction?
PS:
* just from reading in english forums one learns enough not to use crappy working translation programs. I highly doubt that anyone enters a thread, puts 1st post into tanslation, then next one, then next, then think about what to type, put that into translation, post the result, ...

If I do "loose" a shipment - which happened ONCE with these 20-or-so years of ordering abroad - I do not want my money back, but want to get the item ordered.
That primarily speaks against the "customer" here.

All together - if there were not the hard facts of FIVE lost shipments - does not lead to put trust into statements

PPS: the reaction "when the officials/banks refund me my money, even when I have gotten the shipment but without proof for the seller", unfortunatley is typically german/austrian

[Burgess]

Wow.


Just now stumbled upon this thread.

Read every single posting here.

Saddens me to see this.



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[Toohotruk]

Me too...I had really hoped 7777 had recouped some of the money stolen from him.

So, I take it he didn't meet up with David in Germany during his visit?

[nopitter]

Peter here, admin of messerforum.net

Sorry to bring this thread bttt, but I didn't notice it until now. David unfortunately did not mention this topic during our time at the IWA.

1. User ChipZero was banned from my forum by myself at the end of 2009; because of the way, he tries to make his business. Details must not be discussed in public. Fact is, his "clarifications" were not believable to me.

2. @ David. If I can help you in any way, feel free to contact me directly

3. I will post a link to this thread in the "good and bad" subforum of messerforum.net. No comments from my side, just as an information for members.

4. It's not the first time, that forum members are abusing the "community" factor to swindle dealers or other members. And it will not be the last time. We can not change such people. But what we can change ist, to give such members no room for their activity. Should they go and try their busines anywhere, but not in our community. For that, a much much better and faster communication between the forums (not only my own and cpf, i am speaking in general) and dealers is needed. There is no other option IMO.

5. Speech barriers are a reason for misunderstanding regularly - I know that very well But the truth can be said in very easy and clear words. And if sombody is able to make business in a foreign language, he is also able to tell the truth in in a comprehensible manner. No excuse can be made.

Peter

[DM51]

Welcome to CPF, nopitter, and thank you for your helpful contribution.

[nopitter]

Welcome to CPF, nopitter, and thank you for your helpful contribution.

No prob, thanks for activating my reply so fast. DM51, i'm some sort of a professional lurker here in cpf I like the information, i find here, but due to my job running my own forum, i unfortunately do not have time enough, to give back much. But if there's anything, i can do...you have my mailaddress

[DM51]

Thanks, Peter . Same goes here - let us know if we can help with any info you need.

[4sevens]

Thank you all for your support. I don't think much is going to change with this member, but I'm happy at least it's documented here, serving as a warning to all. Of course he may reregister under a different name - so all buyers (and sellers) should be aware as always. I'm sure the forum administrators can note his IP address so if he registers under a different name they can know right away.

-D

[nopitter]

I'm sure the forum administrators can note his IP address so if he registers under a different name they can know right away.

David - here (and i am quite sure same in the US) 99% of all users have dynamic IP addresses. No way to check, it its's the same user, or not. That - plus the anonymity behind nicknames - makes it easy for that morons, to do the same behavior over and over again. As you know, I am a knifenut, a flashoholic and businessman in one person - these people are a black spot in a cool community. And they are wasting our time, which we would rather spend for our business or our toys. That's, what makes me angry.

Peter

[DM51]

... No way to check if its's the same user or not...

Actually, there are ways of checking, and these people don't get away with it here for very long...

BTW, please feel free to copy the new custom avatar that has been designed for him, if you would like to use it for his posts in your own forum. You'll see it on all his posts here (such as in post #68 here).

[Toohotruk]

@ his avatar...

That'd make someone stop and think about whether he's a good risk to deal with.

[nopitter]

BTW, please feel free to copy the new custom avatar that has been designed for him

hehehehe nice, very nice. Just an idea: maybe it would be better, not to give tracking id's to customers. If something goes wrong with the tracking for whatever reasons, such "customers" are arguing with "see, tracking is lost here, I have recieved nothing...". My point is clear?

What's really bad on this situation is - if this fraud happens more frequently, more and more shops/manufacturers will stop shipping overseas. Same with bogus paypal or cc transactions. From a dealers point, its quite understandable for me. From a customers point, a bad situation, 'cause a lot of good products are not available here

BTW, this guy has changed his ebay name form ChipZero to "obafranke". And he is still active in some other forums. Hopfeully the members are reading this thread.

Peter

[BREAM]

That's the most fitting avatar I have ever seen. He is actually stealing from all of us in a way as it forces up the price of flashlights we buy as the seller has to increase prices to cover the cost of low life's like him.

[Pöbel]

Funny. When reading "ChipZero" I had the impression that this name rings a bell, just couldn't remember. Now that Pitter postet that he deleted the posts on Messerforum I know why. CPF, Messerforum and all the alike are communities where people with the same interests come together. ChipZero only participates because of one interest, profit. As he uses (used) the same username everywhere, it was easy to track him. He bought lights on ebay for 30$ and tried to sell them for around 80€. That's in no way illegal, but it shows what type of person he is. That's not what the community stands for.

[TCW 60]

He is selling on tacticalforum.de. His reputation is very good. I don't know whether the guys there know this thread.

[Chicago X]

He is selling on tacticalforum.de. His reputation is very good. I don't know whether the guys there know this thread.

Please feel free to share. It is only through solidarity that we can oust these blights on our community.

[precisionworks]

please feel free to copy the new custom avatar that has been designed for him

DM51, you are awesome

Not exactly a red flag, rather a slimy yellow flag. If the shoe fits ...

[derfyled]

At least, he decided not to say he did'nt received his gavina. Kuku427 took a big risk...


http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...=1#post2679970

[MeMyselfAndI]

For me it is strange that someone tries to cheat. I buy all over the world my stuff and during this time only one shipment was lost (it is a year ago - value ~$100). I reported this to the seller and asked for alternate shipping methods (with extra tracking and extra insurance... everything) since I wanted to reorder the stuff again. I never had doubt that my order was not shipped - the seller has a good reputation, and I was never thinking about getting my money back. My intention was for my 2nd order to be sure I will not be a loss again, and the seller offerd me I pay a insured and 100% trackable shipment and I he sends my order again. That was for me really fair, and I never expected this...

Loosing 4 shipments from exactly the same seller is for me almost impossible. Such cheating makes me angy. I'm happy that almost every seller here at CPF / CPFMP sells all over the world and not US only. I have the chance to get stuff I could not buy if this seller would not sell internationally. Therefore it is the correct way to make this doing public.

For me the only sad thing is that is it more or less impossible to report this to the German police from the US. IMO it is the only way to stop such people. The other sad thing for me is that PayPal "helps" this people getting the money back from honest sellers and they have the lost. I would expect that a report to PayPal with the posted casts of this thread and a investigation of such a behaviour by PayPalr should result a permanent close of a PP account. That really hurts, since a bank account, credit card data, and name / address / date of birth are more unique and if you are banned @ PP than it is not as easy anmore to get a new account.

[Obijuan Kenobe]

I am a little confused why 7777s doesn't go to PayPal with this cumulative evidence. What do they have to lose? One customer?

obi

[Pöbel]

Because he can't prove that the shipping was sent to chipzero. It could have been sent anywhere.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I am a little confused why 7777s doesn't go to PayPal with this cumulative evidence. What do they have to lose? One customer?

PayPal works on the request on a very formalistic level. I had one time an complain (nothing CPF/CPFMP related) and they checked my issue like the pilot of a plane working on the checklist before take off.

Because he can't prove that the shipping was sent to chipzero. It could have been sent anywhere.

This is very important for PP. They demand a shipping confirmation with address of the receiver. This is only possible with registered mail and the very expensive express mail / parcel options.

[4sevens]

...The other sad thing for me is that PayPal "helps" this people getting the money back from honest sellers and they have the lost. I would expect that a report to PayPal with the posted casts of this thread and a investigation of such a behaviour by PayPalr should result a permanent close of a PP account. That really hurts, since a bank account, credit card data, and name / address / date of birth are more unique and if you are banned @ PP than it is not as easy anmore to get a new account.

Paypal couldn't care less. I've appealed/reappealed each of these cases. They just don't care because they can just put it right back on me.

I am a little confused why 7777s doesn't go to PayPal with this cumulative evidence. What do they have to lose? One customer?

Done that already.

Because he can't prove that the shipping was sent to chipzero. It could have been sent anywhere.

I've had paypal still do chargebacks with proof of shipment (tracking, signature etc etc). It's easy for them to just put it on the seller. This happened to me multiple times already.

[Obijuan Kenobe]

I guess you are trapped even more than your customers...until someone starts a cyber credit union. Hmmmm.

obi

...vdHTCvJJC

[derfyled]

My fear is that 4sevens might not be able to offer free shipping anymore if these kind of people abuse the system like chipzero did. For peoples living in the USA, it might not be that bad but for us, the''outsiders'', the free shipping is almost essential since trackable parcels cost an arm and a leg...

4sevens is, to my knowledge, the only dealer that offers that. Another dealer, which I won't mention the name (cough... cough... BJ ... cough...) charges 15$ even for a little item (not oversized and very light) that cost 20$...

[Toohotruk]

The sad part is, that we all wind up paying for fraud like this with higher prices, not just from 7777, but any establishment that sells to the public.

[tsaskmktplace]

Sorry to hear about this REAL P.O.S.
Wish him nothing but the worst in every way.
These words are actually far too kind!

[bkumanski]

goinggear - sorry, but because of our privacy policy, we are not allow to share any personal information.

I'm sure your privacy policy is referring to customer's personal information. To the best of my knowledge, he's not your customer. He's the suspect and you are his victim.

It reminds me of a person who is the victim of identity theft and the police call the bank to get the fraudulent account information, the banks won't release it because of "privacy" (of the suspect ???), even when they themselves already closed the account because they had learned it was fraud. Crazy, I know, but our litigious society has legitimate businesses scared they will be sued, and the cost to defend is less more than the asking price...Sorry to hear it. In a small way, it appears justice has been done, and the community hit him where it hurts : the pocketbook.