When will we have an E01 style 4Sevens light?

[copperfox]

Bantam and Ronin.

Watch out Bantam and Ronin! Here come The Jokester, Poison Sumac, Dr. Fridgidaire, and FelineMistress!

Sorry, waay off topic

[Ronin28]

I guess it really depends on if this is going to be part of the Quark series or in a series of it's own, like the Preons and Maelstroms, I was kind of assuming it'd have it's own series name, but that's not important.



Quark Batman? I don't think they could get away with that. Wait, Bantam? Well I feel silly now, especially because I don't know what Bantam is. Even more so, I thought your name was Robin, got it, it's Bantam and Ronin.

LOL, that's too darn funny!

Definition of Bantam as seen in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "1 : any of numerous small domestic fowls that are often miniatures of members of the standard breeds
2 : a person of diminutive stature and often combative disposition

Now that may not define what the light is but if you take the general meaning of Bantam, i.e. "Miniatures of members of the standard breeds" - so a miniature version of the Quarks. And change person with light, "A light of diminutive stature and often combative disposition" - We know that this little light would definitely be an aggressive little bugger with a softer side for those who want low levels of light.

A sort of play on words if you will.

[defloyd77]

LOL, that's too darn funny!

Definition of Bantam as seen in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "1 : any of numerous small domestic fowls that are often miniatures of members of the standard breeds
2 : a person of diminutive stature and often combative disposition

Now that may not define what the light is but if you take the general meaning of Bantam, i.e. "Miniatures of members of the standard breeds" - so a miniature version of the Quarks. And change person with light, "A light of diminutive stature and often combative disposition" - We know that this little light would definitely be an aggressive little bugger with a softer side for those who want low levels of light.

A sort of play on words if you will.

I'm liking that a lot, thanks for the definition and explanation. Great, now I'm imagining a comic strip with a little chicken in a black cape with a little flashlight punching light into the darkness and in big yellow letters QUARK!

[Kaichu Dento]

I'm liking that a lot, thanks for the definition and explanation. Great, now I'm imagining a comic strip with a little chicken in a black cape with a little flashlight punching light into the darkness and in big yellow letters QUARK!

That's way better than the Aflac usage of the duck!

[TECENG]

With a name like Bantam, it might get easily get read "Batman"

Kind of like the Hadron Collider

[TooSharp]

Went on vacation for a week and come back to a thread explosion. My intention with the thread was to have something similar to the E01, but with 4Sevens style and vision. I would like to keep the cost down as much as possible or we're in the Preon territory.

[Burgess]

Went on vacation for a week and come back to a tread explosion.

Oh, you had Tire Problems ? ? ?



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[TooSharp]

Oh, you had Tire Problems ? ? ?



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Thanks Burgess, a little to quick on the keyboard.

[Burgess]

Lucky for me -- i NEVER make spelling misteaks !


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[holeymoley]

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[Beacon of Light]

I know interest hasn't dropped off, so let's get the conversation going again. I'd be putting up the paypal sent smilely too if 4Sevens comes out with a E01 ultra low.

[Freeze_XJ]

Well, I think David is still keeping a close eye on this thread (here's the userbase with good ideas, even though they don't always agree with each another), so let's help him a bit.

Why i bought E01s : They're cheap for a good flashlight, virtually indestructible, give decent output for fabulous runtime on a simple battery, and they need no instructions manual.

What can be improved? The light. The purplish beam is probably responsible for most complaints, so i'd say a decent 5mm, or better, an XP-E (smaller, and perhaps more efficiency at the very low current of this light) would solve that.
More modes would probably be useless, since it drives up the price, going into Preon areas, it eats away power, since you'll have to supply juice to a chip as well, and it makes the design complex, thus more prone to failure when the bomb finally drops. My vote would be single-mode, 15-ish lumen, and simple twisty-on. Alternatively, 2-mode, with low (.5 lumen) and 'high' (20-30 lumen) could be an option, more would be hard to explain to grandma or non-flashaholic friends.

Name? Muon

[LG&M]

I am still here. I would love a 2 mode. Neutral tint. Also a reversible clip would be great.

[Beacon of Light]

Thanks for your support LG&M

[burntoshine]

i'm still interested in a neutral white version; just waiting for some information to arise.

[tbenedict]

A neutral(ish) version of the E01, maybe slightly dimmer, with a decent semi floody beam is very appealing. I think this basic improvement would sell like hot cakes.

Still not sure if a multi mode could be made this small with current regulation instead of PMW (and at a similar price point), but I would be all for it if possible.

Imagine how these would sell on the shelves of a home improvement store once word got out how practical they are

[edc3]

Imagine how these would sell on the shelves of a home improvement store once word got out how practical they are

I would buy several of these lights (that don't yet exist), but I wonder how well they would sell to the general public. I don't think that lights sell on practicality, but rather brightness. The average Joe in the home improvement store looks at how bright the light is, not how nice the beam pattern is or how great the run time is. Or am I not giving enough credit to non-flashaholics?

[tbenedict]

That's why the Quarks need to be there, to blow away the Mag-Lights.

I think the marketing on the package would be key, plenty of usable light for a looong time.

[EntropyQ3]

A vote for a two level light with as low a low as possible, and over 10 lumens on high. Oh, and neutral white please.
Of course, these long-running lights need to be able to tail-stand.

[Darvis]

Hey, I'm in for the Quark triple ace (AAAce) anyway, I've come to many new conclusions over the past few days about what I like in AAA lights. For me...

Regulation would be good, but I also want it to "drop out" Malkoff style and continue to taper into darkness; nice and slow and predictable...

One mode, 5 lumens or less...

Tint options would be great, but cool (not blue) for me, warm or neutral for those of you that like that route, I won't steal yours! I'm not an XP-G lover, but hey, whatever keeps the price low..

Beam shape choices... give me flood and give me throw, let me choose and buy 2 or 3 or 5...

It's gotta tailstand and give me a neat little 4/7's diffuser that will let it be a candle too!

No rubber/foam washer crap, I want a spring in there

Come up with that for ~$20.00 and I'm going shopping!!

[Burgess]

You want TWO different models ?

One for Flood, and one for Throw ? ? ?


Hey, how 'bout just stick a piece of frosted Scotch Tape over the lens, for flood !


Gotta' keep it SIMPLE, if ya' want the price that low.





PS: your other specs sound pretty good to me !

[Darvis]

You want TWO different models ?

One for Flood, and one for Throw ? ? ?


Hey, how 'bout just stick a piece of frosted Scotch Tape over the lens, for flood !


Gotta' keep it SIMPLE, if ya' want the price that low.





PS: your other specs sound pretty good to me !

Well, you know, one has to be able to dream... I was hoping each light would also come with a free Porsche 911 Turbo as well. Sure the, the list price for the light might have to be 120k, but the the free car.. FREE!!!!

[Burgess]

It's a well-known fact that 4Sevens (David) is an automobile enthusiast.

Might be a "product bundling" in the works.



BTW, i see you are located in Atlanta.


Have you ever been to 4Seven's establishment ?


Don't know if i could resist the Temptation, if i saw all those Lovely Lights !



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[Chucula]

huh I dont understand the requests for ultra low (<1 lumen). Sure that is nice for when you wake up in the middle of the night or for survival situations where you need extended battery life and little light, but an edc light is for those times you are moving between lit places and your eyes will not have time to be fully dark adapted.

I would like a two stage twist light in AAA. Low mode is 5-10 lumens and high is whatever will give 1-2 hours of output. AFAIK there is no low priced (<$25) two stage AAA light, which is disappointing because it strikes me as the best balance between flexibility, simplicity, size, power, and convenience. I really dislike the on-off-on interface for switching modes.

Other features I think work well on a small edc light:
-ability to tail stand and/or built-in bite section (for holding in mouth)
-diffused or flood beam (can be achieved pretty easily by DIY methods mentioned in other posts)

My current favorite edc light is an Aeon, but I would love a AAA version.

[EntropyQ3]

Apologies, but those of you who want throw in an E01 inspired AAA light are wishing for the impossible - there is no way to have much of a reflector given the diameter of the light and emitter size.

huh I dont understand the requests for ultra low (<1 lumen). Sure that is nice for when you wake up in the middle of the night or for survival situations where you need extended battery life and little light, but an edc light is for those times you are moving between lit places and your eyes will not have time to be fully dark adapted.

Well, there are different views on how an EDC light is actually used. And if you use current regulation, I doubt we are going to see a low level below 1 lumen.

But I think we can all agree that a light in this class needs to be very small, and the point of that is that it can always be available. And availability at all times is useless if the battery is drained, so we need at least the option to run it at low battery drain - it's the high drain scenario that is questionable. Different usage scenarios can make a high level at both 10 and at 80 lumen justifiable, 4Sevens need to make a careful choice of where to place a high output.

The low level is useful both for battery drain reasons and for all those situations where you actually are at least somewhat adjusted to low light levels, or you're lighting up something closer up. (I use my quarks in moon mode way more than in any other, and only very rarely go above 30 lumen even though I have upwards of 300 on tap.)

AFAIK there is no low priced (<$25) two stage AAA light, which is disappointing because it strikes me as the best balance between flexibility, simplicity, size, power, and convenience. I really dislike the on-off-on interface for switching modes.

Other features I think work well on a small edc light:
-ability to tail stand and/or built-in bite section (for holding in mouth)
-diffused or flood beam (can be achieved pretty easily by DIY methods mentioned in other posts)

I agree completely.

[Darvis]

It's a well-known fact that 4Sevens (David) is an automobile enthusiast.

Might be a "product bundling" in the works.



BTW, i see you are located in Atlanta.


Have you ever been to 4Seven's establishment ?


Don't know if i could resist the Temptation, if i saw all those Lovely Lights !



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I have never been there, not because I didn't want to go, it just that with 4/7's being primarily web based, I wanted to respect that they probably do not really have a storefront laid out for us light obsessed types!!!!

They are pretty close to where I live, though; In Atlanta you're either inside the the perimeter of I-285 (ITP) or outside (OTP). I am one of the minority ITP dwellers and they are OTP, so I don't get out that way very often anyway. It's not to say that I haven't google earthed it though...



Anyway, one thing I wanted to add is that I would be up for a slightly bigger sized AAA light if it meant that more/better features could be accommodated. I'm not as interested in a paper thin, super short AAA if it means corners need to be cut to make the "smallest AAA ever" My favorite AAA's at the moment (Peaks) are certainly long and heavy, but I'm willing to put up with that because they're rock solid and give me choices of body style and reflector type. This is why I alluded to an options based AAA line... instead of trying to please all with one, give folks a few options and let people tailor their lights based on needs or likes.

I would think things like emitter tints, diffuser lenses, and maybe even body styles are choices that are easily made available, whereas I can see why the circuitry needs to be constant. Even there, why not go for a multi mode option, but also have one that allows for one mode as well?

I do understnd tooling, design, and start up costs are a factor, however, there have got to be bits that can be taken from the preon line and if the cost of the light is reasonable, most people will hone in on these lights as gifts, edc lights, leave 'em the car type tools... meaning, most of us would buy multiples.

[damn_hammer]

For consideration, my E01 style 4Sevens light wish list:

#1 Center lugged body, or tailcap ... for even hanging neck carry.
#2 Neutral LED
#3 Stainless Steel, Titanium, Natural or Primary/Secondary colored HAIII ... please no black only or Miami Vice tertiaries.
#4 Two levels would be great. Single level reading/tent navigation level light is good too.

[tabaliah]

At the same price break as the EO1, with enough room to engrave on the flat, and a keychain loop - I would buy several of them for gifts. So far I am very satisfied with my 4Sevens Quark (my only 'real' LED light).

.michael

[LG&M]

Just checking in. I am still interested.

[Cano]

Just checking in. I am still interested.

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