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    Default 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    NEW Thread about Legion II standard version is here





    http://neo-fab.com/legionII/

    I've always wanted to make a light for myself, and after I had got the idea about Legion II, I knew the time had come to make a perfect light.
    Basic ideas of Legion II is from Legion I & Spartanian II. Legion I was produced by one of my friend as a LED version of Surefire M6, and a regulation resistance was added in the tailcap to control the brightness stepless. Spartanian II was a little EDC light, with a ring switch, which look like Surefire U2, but really different. The switch design of Spartanian II was beyond Surefire's patents. With a Surefire U2, you can not turn the light on and then level UP/DOWN with the same finger, but with Spartanian II you can. A real "single-finger" multi-level flashlight. The UI is even more useful for a heavy light like Legion II.

    There were some bugs in my past design, for example, Spartanian II' s control ring was not smooth enough, or it rattles sometime. People could not change the spring easily too. So, I thought Legion II should be a light away from these problems.

    We made it. We catched the bugs, and drove them away. The control ring, supported by new Teflon bearings, are much smoother than old ones. "Switch 'feel' is absolutely wonderful, I want to say awesome." -- By a reviewer. The spring is stronger and can be replaced by users.

    We designed a brand new driver for Legion II. The base circuit board is not a double layer PCB, but a four layer PCB. Nobody ever did. The feedback loop is designed very carefully and regardless of the cost. To get the precise regulation, we choose 0.007 ohm resistors from Vishay/Dale. Nobody ever did. Finally, we got a 27mm driver, without overlapping. In the lab, we got some data about the efficiency, nobody ever did.


    We decided to use 3X18650 for Legion II, the question is: should there be a battery holder? It's not difficult, but to fit a battery holder for 3X18650, the diameter of tube will be larger and larger. For example, Ultrafire just released their WF-1300L, its housing diameter is 48mm. Legion II followed another way. The tube is the holder. We also designed a brand new tailcap for it. Nobody ever did.

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    The Specs

    * Powerful, Precise, Reliable Driver. ( We use 0.007 ohm resistors from Vishay/Dale. )
    * Current Up to 3000mA.
    * Longer Runtime Than Any Competitor In The Class.
    * Best Current Regulation At Any Level, Without Audiable Noise.
    * Reverse Voltage Protection
    * 5 Exponential Levels.
    * Thumb Control Without Strain On The Wrist.
    * Revolutionary UI, The Easiest Way To Level Up/Down.
    * Quick Access to Any 2 Default Levels.
    * Built-in Battery Gauge.
    * Over-discharge protection.
    * Built-in Battery Holder.
    * Ultimate Thermal Management.
    * Custom Hi-End Parts.
    * B270 Multi-layer AR Coated Lens With 99.5% Transparence
    * ALCOA 7075-T651
    * CNC Machining
    * TYPE III Hard Anodizing
    Length: About 177mm.
    Head Diameter: 53mm.
    Housing Diameter: 41.5mm


    Output:
    2.9A(full distance)
    L1 = 98 lumens, L2 = 157, L3 = 264, L4 = 456, L5 = 742.
    --by WBP
    Runtime with 3*Ultrafire unprotected 18650 cells:
    2hours and 4 minutes!

    --by Neoseikan
    With the built-in battery gauge, we can see how the cells work (Notice: From battery level 6 to 2, the light always keep the max output 742 Lumens, without dimming):

    Battery level6 (full)->level5 : About 35mins.
    Battery level5 (good)->level4: About 35mins.
    Battery level4 (fair)->level3: About 25mins.
    Battery level3 (low)->level2: About 15mins.
    Battery level2 (quite low)->Warning->level1->Auto OFF: 10mins.

    When the light is OFF, you can still turn it on for emergency. At lower brightness level, the cells can still provide some energy. For example, when the light shut down at MAX level, turn it on, and switch to the lowest level (about 400mA), then use the gauge, the gauge level might be level 4 (fair).

    But I recommend charging the cells when the gauge is at level 3.












    Jetbeam M1X: left ; Legion II: right.


    LEGION 2 with SMO reflector











    Runtime by wbp


    Here is his review.
    NeoFab Legion II - beamshots & run times

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    WBP & MrGman made another WOW review here
    You can see the light's performance in real world.



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    Another review from AardvarkSagus will help you feeling this light monster.
    Neofab Legion II review



    I produce 30pcs of Legion II in first batch. They used best materials and best machining. Some of them are sent as sample, and some available for order. The price is $295. I will print laser S/N for each one, and send them with a VIP discount. With it, you can purchase any Neofab products at 90% in future. I will not produce this version of Legion II any more.

    I also prepared another version, all Alu parts, and the material & machining costs are reduced. They have the similar quality as other brands, but still own the perfect Neofab Legion II driver. The price is $179.

    The limited version will be sent within 1~2 weeks after your order (You can choose Left-handed UI or Right-handed UI.) And the standard version will be sent within 2 months ~ 2.5 months.

    I accept pre-orders of standard version because:
    1- I spend all my funds on the R&D of Spartanian II & Legion II, when I started my working, nobody knew whether the new structure is a daydream or not. I worked to get a new ring structure beyond Surefire's patent, nobody ever did. So that the R&D became much harder to me.
    2- The bugs of Spartanian II have been fixed on Legion II, and the new structure will be applied to S2 too. I want to produce new Spartanian II bodies for all S2 users. But I didn't get funds back from the selling of S2. I hope to reach the goal now.

    Thank you for your support. Really.

    [Contact]
    My email: southriver at gmail.com

    [Reflector]
    You can choose smooth or OP reflector.
    Smooth: Better throw, with a donut hole.
    OP: Smooth beam.
    If you want another reflector on the side, the price is $20.

    [Payment]
    Please pp to neoseikan at yahoo . co . jp (for cash) or
    southriver at gmail . com (for creditcard, 4% paypal fee needed. not southriver@263.net!)
    Thanks.

    OrderList:

    $295 version

    #0 kept for concept0, unless we can not find the 5A tint M-bin MC-E.
    #1 kept for evenchaos. sent
    #2 taken by BugOutGear_USA sent
    #3 taken by MrBigBossMan sent
    #4 taken by Minilux sent
    #5 taken by HKJ sent
    #6 taken by Orlac need address
    #7 taken by Winx sent
    #8 taken by 9X23 sent
    #9 taken by Niner sent
    #10 taken by steed77 sent
    #11 taken by Tpchan sent
    #12 taken by MorpheusT1 sent
    #13 taken by someone in shoudian.com sent
    #14 taken by sledhead
    #15 taken by firehawk1227
    #16 taken by Jefft sent
    #17 taken by jdriller sent
    #18 taken by ledaholic sent
    #19 taken by Cleron sent
    #20 taken by Cheesy sent
    #21 taken by Sector7 sent

    Hi. People, we should hold for a while. I will let you know if #20+ is available.


    $179 version

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    Last edited by neoseikan; 08-10-2009 at 09:12 AM.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Ohhh, first batch sounds interesting - I'm in pending a reply to a PM which I will write a bit later on.

    Edit:
    So there is no misunderstanding:
    "Limited Edition First Batch Legion II"

    Edit:
    Given the fairly long delay in the flashlight already, please see my new request in post http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...&postcount=200 I'd wait a bit more if it were possible. Order specs below updated to reflect new request.

    Requested specs:

    • Right-handed UI
    • logo - details provided in PM
    • emitter: MC-E M-Bin: WJ, 3A or 3D (any of these available to you?) - I would prefer warmest tint in the 490 lm category; new request: PhatLight SST-90 W65S if possible and preferred over MC-E
    • 3.3-3.4A drive current for MC-E; 4.0A for PhatLight SST-90
    • OP reflector (I would have preferred a hybrid reflector as I suggested in your other CPF thread, oh well); SMO if PhatLight SST-90 emitter is possible

    Paypal payment id: 1GT312802D784991H
    Last edited by evenchaos; 03-30-2009 at 08:08 PM. Reason: add PhatLight SST-90 request info
    My Lights - Throw: Tiablo A10 R2; Balanced: Dereelight DBS 3SD-Q5 OP; WoF: Epsilon ED-P72; AA: UltraFire WF-606A; Specialty: Ultrafire WF-502B P60 host + {Red, UV, IR}

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    So will the first batch be titanium? Or just a better quality aluminum?

    Why no 5A tint option? Seems like no manufacturer is going to produce the 5A thrower that (almost) everybody wants. You would think Gene Malkoff is the only manufacturer in the world using 5A MC-Es... I wonder who is buying them from CREE?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by concept0 View Post
    So will the first batch be titanium? Or just a better quality aluminum?

    Why no 5A tint option? Seems like no manufacturer is going to produce the 5A thrower that (almost) everybody wants. You would think Gene Malkoff is the only manufacturer in the world using 5A MC-Es... I wonder who is buying them from CREE?
    Hi. The first batch is ALCOA 7075-T651 + Stainless Steel.
    You can choose your favorite Bin, if I can purchase it, I will buy it for you, if not, you can also buy it and send to me. Another problem is, 5A is much hotter than W* Bins, because of the lower efficiency. We need to modify the heatsink surface for it. It means longer waiting.
    Last edited by neoseikan; 02-23-2009 at 08:21 PM.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoseikan View Post
    Hi. The first batch is ALCOA 7075-T651 + Stainless Steel.
    You can choose your favorite Bin, if I can purchase it, I will buy it for you, if not, you can also buy it and send to me.
    That's great to hear about the tint... rant recanted!

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    I'm in for one of the first batch if I can have 5A tint (bin M or higher) and serial #1...

    Please?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by concept0 View Post
    I'm in for one of the first batch if I can have 5A tint (bin M or higher) and serial #1...

    Please?
    OK. You can keep the #1 until we failed in finding 5A M-bin.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoseikan View Post
    OK. You can keep the #1 until we failed in finding 5A M-bin.
    Sounds great! I'll send payment as soon as your confirm emitter availability...

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Sorry, I was confused... I meant 5A tint and J bin or higher...

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoseikan View Post
    OK. You can keep the #1 until we failed in finding 5A M-bin.
    Hey .... I thought I would have #1 .... I did say "I'm In"
    My Lights - Throw: Tiablo A10 R2; Balanced: Dereelight DBS 3SD-Q5 OP; WoF: Epsilon ED-P72; AA: UltraFire WF-606A; Specialty: Ultrafire WF-502B P60 host + {Red, UV, IR}

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by evenchaos View Post
    Hey .... I thought I would have #1 .... I did say "I'm In"
    Hi. Sorry, I thought you meant "I'm in pending a reply to a PM", and the PM is to me...
    But you can still choose another wonderful number, or some logo, I will try to print them on the tailcap.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoseikan View Post
    Hi. Sorry, I thought you meant "I'm in pending a reply to a PM", and the PM is to me...
    But you can still choose another wonderful number, or some logo, I will try to print them on the tailcap.

    Guess it wasn't clearly worded. Yes, I want the light provided we can come to an arrangement as described in PM with mods, etc ... I wanted to hold my spot inline, just like concept0 did with his request for the 5A tint.
    My Lights - Throw: Tiablo A10 R2; Balanced: Dereelight DBS 3SD-Q5 OP; WoF: Epsilon ED-P72; AA: UltraFire WF-606A; Specialty: Ultrafire WF-502B P60 host + {Red, UV, IR}

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by evenchaos View Post

    Guess it wasn't clearly worded. Yes, I want the light provided we can come to an arrangement as described in PM with mods, etc ... I wanted to hold my spot inline, just like concept0 did with his request for the 5A tint.
    Okay, I can totally see his point. We did kinda do the same thing. So here's what I propose:

    evenchaos, you take #1 pending your mods

    I'll take #0 (as in concept0) pending 5A J-bin

    Sound good to everybody?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by concept0 View Post
    Okay, I can totally see his point. We did kinda do the same thing. So here's what I propose:

    evenchaos, you take #1 pending your mods

    I'll take #0 (as in concept0) pending 5A J-bin

    Sound good to everybody?
    Thanks man.
    My Lights - Throw: Tiablo A10 R2; Balanced: Dereelight DBS 3SD-Q5 OP; WoF: Epsilon ED-P72; AA: UltraFire WF-606A; Specialty: Ultrafire WF-502B P60 host + {Red, UV, IR}

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    I'll take one of the lmtd editions. Please PM payment instructions.

    Thanks,
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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    looks damn nice. free bump for an awesome light.
    oh, oh yea, for an awesome seller, too!

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Count me in for the limited version. PM sent. Thanks.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    In for a $295 version
    Please PM me for paying instructions.

    MiniLux



    (295 + 4% = ) 306.80$

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    I am also in for one of the limited editions, with as low serial number as possible.

    Last edited by HKJ; 02-24-2009 at 10:31 AM.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Which tint M-bin will the standard version use? Hopefully you can get WD or WH as I've never cared much for WC. Nice work by the way!

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by ace0001a View Post
    Which tint M-bin will the standard version use? Hopefully you can get WD or WH as I've never cared much for WC. Nice work by the way!
    It only depends on which tint I can order. Thank you for your advice.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    I'll take the #9 spot of the limited edition. Please forward the payment instruction.

    By the way, is there any option that I can choose from?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Payment sent. Tranaction ID: 8HE72510N8051415P

    I'll make the decision on SMO vs OP reflector when you got some beam shots.

    Thank you!

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Can I see pics of the switch and gauge?

    OK I am in! send info
    Looks like #10
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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    The switch is the ring around the "neck" of the light (third picture from the top) and the guage is actually a function of the circuitry rather than a physical addition. Hold the ring switch to the left (right hand UI) when the light is on, and the light will flash 1-6 times. More flashes=more juice.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Please post some payment instruction in the thread.
    I can see that MiniLux has payed, but added 4%?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    Please post some payment instruction in the thread.
    I can see that MiniLux has payed, but added 4%?
    OK. Added in the first post. BTW, 4% is for the Paypal fee of creditcard payment.

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    I can't find the dimensions of Legion II, any ideas?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoseikan View Post
    OK. Added in the first post. BTW, 4% is for the Paypal fee of creditcard payment.
    You did not write if we have to pay now or later (I suppose that SE edition is now and the other is later)?

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    Default Re: 742 Torch Lumen Neofab Legion II.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeruel View Post
    I can't find the dimensions of Legion II, any ideas?
    Ooops. I will add it to the first post.

    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    You did not write if we have to pay now or later (I suppose that SE edition is now and the other is later)?
    It's best to pay right now because each $ is useful now.

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