FireSword-IV: 4 Cree MCE, 20mm reflectors, 3000+ Lumens

[PsychoBunny]

Did I miss your email?

I've got 9 FireSwords I'm building, of which all the metal work for four is completed, and LEDs assemblies finished and these will ship on Thursday. The next 5, of which yours is one, I've already started on, but about another week or so to finish. You can email me, and I'll try to be sure to answer.

I'm also building some LongThrows, doing some repairs, building some EDC-P7's, so, yeah, I've got a lot of things to get done. I do have a helper, but he is mostly working on the MCE drop ins.

Elektro

I think you missed my email about batteries.
I sent you a link to the 18650's I thought would be ok, they were the
grey ones, and they did have the raised nipple on the + end.
I didnt get an answer, so I went ahead and ordered 4, I also ordered
6 of the blue ones, because it looks like they have higher capacitance.
I am pretty clueless about this type of battery, never used them
before.
I figured you were busy and forgot, no big deal

[ElektroLumens]

I think you missed my email about batteries.
I sent you a link to the 18650's I thought would be ok, they were the
grey ones, and they did have the raised nipple on the + end.
I didnt get an answer, so I went ahead and ordered 4, I also ordered
6 of the blue ones, because it looks like they have higher capacitance.
I am pretty clueless about this type of battery, never used them
before.
I figured you were busy and forgot, no big deal

Hmmm, thought I was keeping up with emails. Email me again.

Wayne

[PsychoBunny]

Hmmm, thought I was keeping up with emails. Email me again.

Wayne

Check your mail Wayne, I sent you something yesterday

[ElektroLumens]

Check your mail Wayne, I sent you something yesterday

I think my spam filter is getting your emails. I just cleared out the junk folder. Send another email, I'll see if I can find it. I get 100's of spam emails daily, most of which my filter gets. But sometimes it takes more than it should.

If I do not clear out the junk folder, it builds up to thousands of emails, which are very difficult to sort through.

Wayne

[PsychoBunny]

I think my spam filter is getting your emails. I just cleared out the junk folder. Send another email, I'll see if I can find it. I get 100's of spam emails daily, most of which my filter gets. But sometimes it takes more than it should.

If I do not clear out the junk folder, it builds up to thousands of emails, which are very difficult to sort through.

Wayne

Forget it, it wasnt important enough to send a 3rd time

[ElektroLumens]

Forget it, it wasnt important enough to send a 3rd time

It may not be important enough for 3 emails, but it disturbs me that I seem to not be receiving your emails. I just wanted to try and resolve the email problem. Most probably my spam filter is catching them. I just need to know for sure, and then fix the issue.

Wayne

[PsychoBunny]

It may not be important enough for 3 emails, but it disturbs me that I seem to not be receiving your emails. I just wanted to try and resolve the email problem. Most probably my spam filter is catching them. I just need to know for sure, and then fix the issue.

Wayne

OK, I will send it again when I get home from work.
About 4pm.

[PsychoBunny]

Alright Wayne, I sent the email again about 2 hours ago
(4:30pm EST).
Lets see what happens this time

[ElektroLumens]

Alright Wayne, I sent the email again about 2 hours ago
(4:30pm EST).
Lets see what happens this time

My spam filter was catching your emails. ??

I answered your email.

TrustFire 18650 work fine.

Wayne

[PsychoBunny]

Hi Wayne,

Will I have my FireSword by this weekend?
You said something about being able to have it ready this
week, or did I just dream it?!

I am really excited to get it (what a hopeless nerd I am! )

I am taking a trip to the country this weekend. Lots of open space,
and real country dark.

I plan to take all my lights out for testing, and would love to be able
to have the FireSword with me as well.

If not, please give me some estimate of ETA.

Thanks Wayne

P.S. Have you figured out the problems you were having with my
emails? Is it safe to contact you via your email address, or is it
better to just post it here?

[hks426]

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[ElektroLumens]

Hi Wayne,

Will I have my FireSword by this weekend?
You said something about being able to have it ready this
week, or did I just dream it?!

I am really excited to get it (what a hopeless nerd I am! )

I am taking a trip to the country this weekend. Lots of open space,
and real country dark.

I plan to take all my lights out for testing, and would love to be able
to have the FireSword with me as well.

If not, please give me some estimate of ETA.

Thanks Wayne

P.S. Have you figured out the problems you were having with my
emails? Is it safe to contact you via your email address, or is it
better to just post it here?

I received your last emails. I prefer emails.

Yours is not ready yet, sorry. Email me for ETA, etc.

Elektro

[Glenn7]

Wayne (not wane - sorry )
I noticed that the the title says 3000+ lumens - I am sure it said 3600 lumen originally - thats IMO a big difference 600 lumens - is that because you have lowered the amps??.
BTW how many amps are each LED pulling? & also does the WaterSword have a UCL lens? (I hope so as 95% of its work will be out of the water) - bit late to ask all these questions I know but I am curious as to the specs.

How are they coming along Wayne - hope they arnt giving you to much grief - cant wait to get this little beauty in my hand

Glenn

PS: do your lights come with SPF30+ for the people I shine the light at

[DogLeg]

I contacted FiveMega regarding a 4x1 battery holder for 18650s and he says:

"For 4 serial 18650 these Elephant II ( http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=198029 ) white battery holders will work fine in option "A" body but for long run time, you will need a black battery holders that can be used as 4S/4P 18500 in option "D"

White battery holder can accept either 4x18650, 8x18650 or 12x18650 in series. (Extra complete white battery holder (4x18650) with charging jack $45)

Black battery holders are connected in 4S/4P 18500 to use with protected cells for extended run time and can be converted to 2S/4P 18650 (Extra complete black battery holder - 2S/4Px18650 and 4S/4P18500- with charging jack $95)

I have one of FiveMega's 6AA battery holders. It is a solid piece.

[ElektroLumens]

I contacted FiveMega regarding a 4x1 battery holder for 18650s and he says:

"For 4 serial 18650 these Elephant II ( http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=198029 ) white battery holders will work fine in option "A" body but for long run time, you will need a black battery holders that can be used as 4S/4P 18500 in option "D"

White battery holder can accept either 4x18650, 8x18650 or 12x18650 in series. (Extra complete white battery holder (4x18650) with charging jack $45)

Black battery holders are connected in 4S/4P 18500 to use with protected cells for extended run time and can be converted to 2S/4P 18650 (Extra complete black battery holder - 2S/4Px18650 and 4S/4P18500- with charging jack $95)

I have one of FiveMega's 6AA battery holders. It is a solid piece.

I'll probably just design my own, have them made for me. Fivemega's holders are awesome stuff.

Wayne

[ElektroLumens]

A customer emailed me this youtube video he did about the FireSword. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4lGPo6Ep5E

Thanks Jack

Wayne

[Kelly30708]

That video was fantastic! How cool was that?!

[Glenn7]

Got mine Wayne thank you so much!!!!
This thing is killer bright it doesn't throw super far but it lights everything up around you up to 50 meters making it a great work light - but I must say it hurts holding it in my teeth while I use two hands
Top job Wayne

[BlueBoom]

Could you make the body knurled?

[Glenn7]

Right time to show what this baby can do!!!!!
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/glenn...iJluO-4cj88gE#

[Ryanrpm]

Hey Glenn, I have a feeling that the Firesword and Watersword are the same light? Is the Watersword just resistant to water...or what's the difference other than the name?

[Glenn7]

Hey Glenn, I have a feeling that the Firesword and Watersword are the same light? Is the Watersword just resistant to water...or what's the difference other than the name?

it is almost one in the same but the waterSword has an extra flange bezel - three o-rings on the tail and head - a screw on/off tail cap instead of a button and a way to attach a lanyard to the tail cap - making the "watersword" a dive light down to 100 meters
But mine has P7's instead of MC-E's - as according to Wayne they heat sink better - are a bit brighter and are a little more focused for throw.
Also I got an extra twist/button for above water for momentary on - also WaterSwords are $100 more.
And as you can see its one bright light - the other thing with these I believe they will be easier to mod as brighter LEDs come out - try putting 4x PhlatLight SST-90 Series in for 9000+ lumens http://www.luminus.com/stuff/content...lumination.pdf

[Ryanrpm]

I sure hope you are the first to use those new emitter Glenn! About time people stopped talking about using them...and someone to actually use them steps up to the plate.

Why don't you be the first?

[Glenn7]

I would if I knew how to find one - but don't think they are out yet

[ElektroLumens]

Could you make the body knurled?

Yes.

Wayne

[ElektroLumens]

Hey Glenn, I have a feeling that the Firesword and Watersword are the same light? Is the Watersword just resistant to water...or what's the difference other than the name?

A few had requested I make the FireSword-IV dive worthy. So, I made some changes, like tripple o-rings at head and body, twist on only tail cap, double o-rings at bezel to head, and a special design I came up with to seal the lens to the bezel, it sort of presses the o-ring down to lens and out to bezel to seal. I have made no mention of this, except when someone emails me about it. Here is a few links to hi-res pics:

http://elektrolumens.com/FireSword/P1010747.JPG
http://elektrolumens.com/FireSword/P1010748.JPG

I like the redesign a lot, and am employing some of the machining design to the regular FireSword, except not the tripple o-rings, and will have the button in the tail cap. Just seals better, and it's easier for me to have only one single design to have to machine.

The dive worthy version of the FireSword-IV, I call 'Fire-Tsunami'. It is not on my web site to order. It is $499.99. I have to pay a lot more attention to tolerances, as they have to be exact to be sure everything seals up tight. It is very air tight.

Wayne

[windstrings]

it is almost one in the same but the waterSword has an extra flange bezel - three o-rings on the tail and head - a screw on/off tail cap instead of a button and a way to attach a lanyard to the tail cap - making the "watersword" a dive light down to 100 meters
But mine has P7's instead of MC-E's - as according to Wayne they heat sink better - are a bit brighter and are a little more focused for throw.
Also I got an extra twist/button for above water for momentary on - also WaterSwords are $100 more.
And as you can see its one bright light - the other thing with these I believe they will be easier to mod as brighter LEDs come out - try putting 4x PhlatLight SST-90 Series in for 9000+ lumens http://www.luminus.com/stuff/content...lumination.pdf

Wayne, I emailed you... but what is the prospect of using these new Phlatlight emitters?.. is that in the near future at all?

And I'm more interested in a focused spotlight type throw for use in my boat.

Brighter the better and must be rechargable.

[ElektroLumens]

Wayne, I emailed you... but what is the prospect of using these new Phlatlight emitters?.. is that in the near future at all?

And I'm more interested in a focused spotlight type throw for use in my boat.

Brighter the better and must be rechargable.

A few considerations:

1) Voltage: I looked over the specs, saw nothing about what voltage these run at. This is very important.

2) Available optics and reflectors. No matter how good an LED may be, what is there as far as reflectors or collimators. This was the big frustration to me with the P7 LED. Not until Ledil came out with the Boom reflector, was it made easy to use this LED. Prior to the Boom reflector, I had to use IMS 27mm reflectors and machine them to work, and this was a pain.

3) Availability: The Cree MCE, and the SSC P7, are both very easy to obtain. If something is made of unobtainium, what good is it.

4) Price: The Cree MCE, and the SSC P7, are reasonably priced. The FireSword uses four LEDs, and cost of the LED is a serious consideration.

5) Heat sinking/Junction temp: The SSC P7, it seems to me, sinks very well. The junction temp limit of the SSC P7 is very high

Thus far, all things considered, my favorite to use at this time is the SSC P7. If something comes along and is 1) Brighter, 2)easy to use, 3) available, 4) reaonably priced, 5) has a good selection of optics and reflectors to choose from, well then, of course, I'll give it serious consideration. At this time, in my opinion, the SSC P7 is the best thing going, and that is why I am using it. I can, of course, also use the MCE LED too. Right now I'm using the P7 in most of my products, including Kong-12.

Wayne

[jungjonghoon]

Please check you e-mail (waynej@elektrolumens.com)

[joeparker54]

I just wanted to say congratulations to wayne and the firestorm IV light for making it into the august issue of IEEE Spectrum magazine.
Here's a link to the article: http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/t...ures-so-bright
Now if only CPF would have gotten a name drop....

It's always great to see non-flashaholics so impressed by a light that they simply must tell someone else. Keep up the good work!