Do I understand you correctly - ideaholic has my 3.4A light? (or am I measuring it incorrectly?)
No, No. This is the 3.4A Legion II. And Ideaholic has a 2.8A one.
I read your thread, and thought you don't want a 3.4A light and I might made a mistake by sending this one to you.
And I checked the record, thought it should be ideaholic who need this 3.4A Legion II.
Yours, Neoseikan
ledaholic
05-23-2009, 04:45 AM
evenchaos, I think he is talking about me. I had ordered a 3.4 amp version, not sure what u ordered. I'm on the fence right now considering returning mine for a refund. I was #18 on the list and got #18 tail cap. If I get a chance later, I will do a current test @ the cap and compare with yours.
Bob
olrac
05-23-2009, 06:22 AM
I am not going to be buying #6 so if anyone wants my spot you are welcome to it.
Cheesy
05-23-2009, 06:39 AM
The emitter is way off center
For anyone who has this problem, in fact, everyone should probably take a look:
See here (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=232252).
Look towards the bottom of the first post.
Kev.
neoseikan
05-23-2009, 07:45 AM
Hi, Cheesy, could you change the LED by yourself? A new reflector with smaller hole might solve this problem, everybody will get one in the package of tailcap.
ledaholic, when you made the order, it's a 3.4A one, sorry for my mistake. If you want to keep this one, we can send you a 3.4A standard version at the special offer (mail me please.)
niner
05-23-2009, 08:11 AM
Neoseikan, can you show us how to get to the LED? I have a warm tint MC-E that I want to try.
neoseikan
05-23-2009, 08:28 AM
Neoseikan, can you show us how to get to the LED? I have a warm tint MC-E that I want to try.
According to the experience of wbp, it's hard but possible to solder off the LED from the front side. But make sure your new LED has a small baseboard.
The two wires are in the same color, so you should be careful.
niner
05-23-2009, 08:32 AM
Is the basboard epoxy on to the heat sink? I saw some white stuff between the board and the heat sink, but not sure if it is thermal adhesive or thermal compound.
Thanks!
neoseikan
05-23-2009, 08:42 AM
Is the basboard epoxy on to the heat sink? I saw some white stuff between the board and the heat sink, but not sure if it is thermal adhesive or thermal compound.
Thanks!
I used Arctic Silver in it, and it's removable.
Yours, Neoseikan
Cleron
05-23-2009, 09:25 AM
I believe it may be possible to get rid of the hole in the light. No hole is present, even at range when the reflector is taken out of my light.
neoseikan
05-23-2009, 09:57 AM
I believe it may be possible to get rid of the hole in the light. No hole is present, even at range when the reflector is taken out of my light.
If the reflector is taken off, then no hole will be there. Yes. The hole (cross) is a "Projection" of the die itself.
BugOutGear_USA
05-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Neo,
Has my repaired unit been sent back out yet?
Thanks,
Flavio
ledaholic
05-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Three freshly charged 18650s (4.19, 4.19, 4.18V)=12.57V draw a current of 0.859 A at the tail - seems awfully low :confused: => (3.3V * 3.4A)/0.92 = 12.1957W, 12.1957W/12.57V=0.97A Emitter looks pretty much like my ED-P72 (i.e. not warm).
I checked mine tonite and got .87A at the tail on slightly used batteries.
neoseikan
05-25-2009, 06:31 PM
Neo,
Has my repaired unit been sent back out yet?
Thanks,
Flavio
Hi, Flavio. We have fixed it right now, and will send to you asap.
neoseikan
05-25-2009, 06:35 PM
I checked mine tonite and got .87A at the tail on slightly used batteries.
I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
When I read your past posts, I made mistakes.
I thought you got a "12W" light, and it should be 10W.
But in fact, you get the 10W, and it should be 12W.
Right?
evenchaos
05-25-2009, 10:05 PM
I did another current test (batteries more a bit drained this time 12.1 V total), this time measuring the voltage under load:
I got 0.895A and 11.7V. This gives 10.4715W. Taking into account the efficiency of the driver (92%) - this means 9.63378W is delivered to the emitter. Given typical 3.3Vf for the led, the current must be 9.63378W / 3.3V = 2.919A.
:rant:
evenchaos
05-25-2009, 10:16 PM
I checked mine tonite and got .87A at the tail on slightly used batteries.
I see we have almost the same readings. I also went back and looked at your order post here: http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=191371&page=4 . We should have gotten pretty much the same light i.e. we BOTH should have gotten a 3.4A driven led = 12W light.
As I noted before, the LOWEST current reading for a 12W light should be 0.97A. As the voltage of the battery drops, the current would go UP. Because we are getting 0.86-0.87A this means we have 10W lights.
So the question is now where are the TWO missing lights.
PsychoBunny
05-26-2009, 05:45 AM
I assume these are the "premium" units you guys are getting with the
upside down logo and NOT the production models????
TITAN1833
05-26-2009, 05:57 AM
I assume these are the "premium" units you guys are getting with the
upside down logo and NOT the production models???? You mean "not the standard version" and yes to your question they're the premium versions you're seeoing with the upside down logo :)
:thinking: did csshih have any input in the logo design?:whistle:
Cheesy
05-26-2009, 06:10 AM
I assume these are the "premium" units you guys are getting with the
upside down logo and NOT the production models????
I'm sure you can get yours upside down too if you ask nicely.
Kev.
easilyled
05-26-2009, 06:20 AM
I'm sure you can get yours upside down too if you ask nicely.
Kev.
:whoopin: BUT :crackup:
First
05-28-2009, 07:35 AM
Hi Neoseikan,
Is the limited edition 1st batch still available? I would love to have the last serial #30 for mine.
Also I'm still pretty new on this flashlight thing. Whats the difference between 2.8a and 3.4a light? Assuming 3.4a being much brighter? How does this affects the original rated lumens at 742 (correct me if its wrong) Would it push out more then the original stated lumens or some other things? And how much of a difference in runtime? I recall reading a review mentioning it could run on max with 18650 x 3 for 2 hours and AW's 2200mah for 1hour 40mins.
Paypal payment would be price x 4%? And do you ship to Malaysia?
rainsingin
05-28-2009, 08:36 AM
Hi Neoseikan,
Is the limited edition 1st batch still available? I would love to have the last serial #30 for mine.
Also I'm still pretty new on this flashlight thing. Whats the difference between 2.8a and 3.4a light? Assuming 3.4a being much brighter? How does this affects the original rated lumens at 742 (correct me if its wrong) Would it push out more then the original stated lumens or some other things? And how much of a difference in runtime? I recall reading a review mentioning it could run on max with 18650 x 3 for 2 hours and AW's 2200mah for 1hour 40mins.
Paypal payment would be price x 4%? And do you ship to Malaysia?
Hi First, i know it is hard to read through all 15 pages! :confused:
choosing anything above 2.9A (M-bin) will be brighter but is only safely usable for a very short time before the torch is damaged :poof: :
No.No.No. I don't know whether 15~20 minutes will be safe.
It depends on the room temperature and atmospheric conditions.
My suggest is: If the current is higher than 2.9A (M-bin), just use the max level for short instant lighting, such as "blinding enemy". J-bin or K-bin will be hotter than M-bin.
If the LED is damaged, you can only get 500lumens or less at max level!
i'm pretty confident only 22 premium versions were made but i think #6 was never claimed...:shrug:
I am not going to be buying #6 so if anyone wants my spot you are welcome to it.
thanks
evenchaos
05-28-2009, 07:37 PM
Whats the difference between 2.8a and 3.4a light? Assuming 3.4a being much brighter? How does this affects the original rated lumens at 742 (correct me if its wrong) Would it push out more then the original stated lumens or some other things?
The 3.4A rating drives the MC-E emitter beyond the manufacturer's specs. This *will* shorten the lifespan of the led, but given how fast led technology progresses, I'm sure it will be swapped out for the latest and greatest. I know for a fact that I will be looking at the SST-90 W65S led as soon as I can order one, given that Neoseikan must have been unable to source a sample since I got an MC-E.
The problem with driving the MC-E at a current higher but under 4.0A is really just a thermal management issue. The dice in the mc-e are pretty much the same as in a regular Q5 led (ie. they can be driven at 1A), but because the package is so small and has a poor thermal interface it may not be adequately cooled. *In my opinion*, the heavy duty heatsinking Neo can come up with should be adequate for short term use (i.e. NOT for lighting up a room during a power outage or using it as a work light) and it was a risk I was willing to take.
And just to note, another member has run the MC-E at 3.4A see http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=214800 for some beam shots, so its not a totally out of the blue choice.
Unfortunately it seems that the two of us who ordered 3.4A versions didn't seem to get them. Still waiting for Neo to respond as to what happened.
9x23
05-29-2009, 07:52 PM
About the waterproof:
1- There are double O-rings in the head and the end, but only one O-ring between the head&tube. It can survive from rain & puddle in a quite short time, but can never go diving.
2- I like this holster, $10. If you want, I can buy it for you. But it's heavy, for saving shipping fee, it won't be sent with L2, but in another package.
Neo,
I just unscrewed the head assembly from the battery tube and can't find the o-ring at this junction. The light doesn't look like it would survive a rain storm or drop in the puddle at this junction without some sort of o-ring. Is it possible the o-ring wasn't installed during assembly? If there is one that is supposed to be here please send one to me.
Thank you
9x23
TITAN1833
05-30-2009, 01:22 AM
I recall reading somewhere that these lights would come with extra o-rings
and a spare control ring spring :thinking:
9x23
05-30-2009, 09:52 AM
I recall reading somewhere that these lights would come with extra o-rings
and a spare control ring spring :thinking:
TITAN1833,
Yes, I do recall that too so I did a search. Look here at post #92 http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=221815&page=4
9x23
TITAN1833
05-30-2009, 10:09 AM
TITAN1833,
Yes, I do recall that too so I did a search. Look here at post #92 http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=221815&page=4
9x23That be the one, Neo what gives? :whoopin:
evenchaos
06-01-2009, 12:54 PM
Where has Neoseikan disappeared off to ?
Neo, could please address the following questions/concerns:
How will you address the poor annodization of the battery tube?
What do you intend to do about my missing tailcap?
What emitter tint was used in my flashlight?
What happened to my 3.4A version. As far as I can tell I only have a 2.9A.
While I like the form factor of the light [I really regret having purchased the the Tiablo ACE (bleh) Epsilon ED-P72 (great light in itself, but won't seem much use now that I got the LII)], I see myself having seriously having overpaid for the LII.
I prepaid for the light when the currency exchange was very unfavorable. I would have saved ~$50 if I paid today rather than when I did (thats another extra light I could have purchased). While I appreciate that there is a price to be paid to be first to get a product, this did not happen.
There have been no advantages of getting the premium. The stainless steel tailcap doesn't have my desired text & pic and the text doesn't even describe the light correctly. How can it be a showpiece now?
The annodization flaws are not acceptable for a light of this price. The ring and head are very well done so why not the battery tube?
Where are the spare bearings & o-rings?
It was very important to me to have a customized light as part of my premium purchase - something explicitly stated as part of my conditions of purchase.
In the end, I would have been better of purchasing a "regular" version saving me significant money and possibly getting a better light in exchange.
I am waiting and hoping for Neo to provide satisfactory customer service and address these problems.
Please understand that I am NOT writing to discourage other people from purchasing. The light is great (IMO, there isn't a better non-boutique MC-E light out there) and at the regular price point there won't be a reason not to buy your light. I wish Neo all the best in his business.
KHT
06-01-2009, 05:22 PM
Hey... I sent you a PM concerning the reflector.
9x23
06-03-2009, 12:42 PM
Hmmmm.....9 days and no responses. It would be nice if you would manage your sales thread and respond to those of us who have issues with our purchase of the Premium Limited Edition model. If you can't provide prompt and responsive follow up service for just 18 lights delivered, I'd hate to see what will happen once you begin to sell the 300 "standard" models.
PsychoBunny
06-04-2009, 02:54 AM
Hmmmm.....9 days and no responses.
Maybe he made a "midnight move"!! (just kidding, i think!!) :poof:
rainsingin
06-04-2009, 09:58 AM
well, i'm actually hopeful this is a good sign for those waiting for a standard version. the last time he went missing for this long (between may 3rd and may 9th) he finally reappeared to announce he had completed the last twelve of the premium versions. the way this has been going :o, i'd also be very tempted to hide until i had some good news to announce...:grin2:
PsychoBunny
06-08-2009, 08:22 AM
Hmm, I havent checked this thread in a few days, but still no Neo?
I am supprised you guys are being so quiet about this.
Personaly, I'm getting a little worried! :sigh:
evenchaos
06-08-2009, 10:12 AM
Hmm, I havent checked this thread in a few days, but still no Neo?
I am supprised you guys are being so quiet about this.
Personaly, I'm getting a little worried! :sigh:
I am starting to get pretty worried myself, don't know what to do without resorting to "drastic measures" (file pp dispute, etc) ....
Maybe some mods could step in and try to help out?
PsychoBunny
06-09-2009, 03:54 AM
I am starting to get pretty worried myself, don't know what to do without resorting to "drastic measures" (file pp dispute, etc) ....
Maybe some mods could step in and try to help out?
Both good ideas. What is the general mood among you guys about requesting some sort of actition together?
Do you want to give Neo more time?
neoseikan
06-09-2009, 06:59 AM
Hi. People. David told me that people are getting upset because there aren't news about Legion II.
All right, I have been away from the forum for a few days, and been waiting for the progress of production.
The latest status is:
All the bodies are made, and will be HAed tomorrow.
And enough driver parts are in hand right now.
CPFers will get their L2 at the first time.
What made the delay?
1- We added a new design to make assembly easier, so that we can leave that work to regular workers.
2- The workshop send the new sample to me for confirmation.
3- Public holidays cost us 2 more days.
After all, it looks all OK now.
I will update when the HA is done.
The color should be dark grey.
rainsingin
06-09-2009, 07:18 AM
thanks for the update neo. we really appreciate it!
but you need to update your signature. since you first referenced this time-line: "300pcs of Legion II in the workshop. Might be done in 7days. Extra 3~5 days for HA.", back on may 20th, your signature is already nine days behind schedule! :ohgeez: :grin2:
AardvarkSagus
06-09-2009, 07:52 AM
Glad to hear you were making progress on this one while you were out. Also good to know that CPF-ers will be at the top of the list when it comes to production pieces.
TITAN1833
06-09-2009, 08:25 AM
All good and well updating when prompted but! this should be done regularly as a matter of fact and in a timely manner IMO after all a few key strokes is all that is needed.
It's a MUST to update :thinking: especially when these are long over due,and also a matter of courtesy to let buyers know in advance of any delays.
Now that you're back lets hope for those who invested in your project are rewarded with what was promised in the first place :popcorn:
9x23
06-09-2009, 11:57 AM
It's great that you've updated people on the status of the next run of lights but what about those of us who are asking you to resolve issues we currently have with the premium run of lights? When can we expect your response to correct these issues?
neoseikan
06-09-2009, 03:48 PM
It's great that you've updated people on the status of the next run of lights but what about those of us who are asking you to resolve issues we currently have with the premium run of lights? When can we expect your response to correct these issues?
No problem.
There are these issues:
1- the wrong mark on SS tailcap - new tailcap will be sent, should be in this week, but I delayed, sorry. I will have it done asap.
2- The SS parts of Spartanian II. will do them when I get L2 standard version.
evenchaos
06-09-2009, 09:23 PM
Neo, how about addressing the other concerns described in the earlier posts (including my long post above) regarding the:
Mine and Ledaholic's missing 3.4A lights
Missing requested logo, text & wrong s/n on tailcap
Battery tube annodization issues
My requested emitter tint (or SST-90 alternative & preferred emitter choice)
Missing spare parts
Other members off-center emitter
Lower lumens in (some?) production models: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2969372#post2969372
9x23
06-10-2009, 07:36 AM
No problem.
There are these issues:
1- the wrong mark on SS tailcap - new tailcap will be sent, should be in this week, but I delayed, sorry. I will have it done asap.
2- The SS parts of Spartanian II. will do them when I get L2 standard version.
Neo, thanks for responding. Besides your responses above, how about addressing my question regarding o-rings previously posted here....
Neo,
I just unscrewed the head assembly from the battery tube and can't find the o-ring at this junction. The light doesn't look like it would survive a rain storm or drop in the puddle at this junction without some sort of o-ring. Is it possible the o-ring wasn't installed during assembly? If there is one that is supposed to be here please send one to me.
Thank you
9x23
....and about the spare parts we are supposed to receive here....
TITAN1833,
Yes, I do recall that too so I did a search. Look here at post #92 http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=221815&page=4
9x23
Thanks,
9x23
David Slagter
06-13-2009, 05:29 AM
If I order now the standard legion 2. How long till I recieve the light here in the Netherlands.
Seakane
06-13-2009, 08:46 AM
hehehe, that is the million dollar question =)
KHT
06-14-2009, 12:22 AM
Soooo... what about a response to my PM. I have sent several and no response. Last response I got was on 4/21/09 stating you were going to send the reflector to me asap. And this is about a reflector... not an entire light... no response and out $20. What now?
BugOutGear_USA
06-15-2009, 11:44 AM
Neo,
Still not received the "repaired" Legion II. Have not heard back from you regarding this issue. Please update.
Thank you,
Flavio
TITAN1833
06-16-2009, 10:42 AM
What's really interesting here is the fact that Neo when he started this sale thread was on the forum 24/7,
now! he appears like the ghost of Elvis! popping up now and then "singing away!" and just as rare as a blue moon:whistle:
David Slagter
06-16-2009, 10:56 AM
Never dealed with this Neo guy but doesn't sound very trustwhurty to me...
