On 10-26-08 I posted a wanted thread for an Atwood Keyton.
On 11-4-08 PMs were exchanged. danny4u PMd me saying he had a keyton. I asked for a photo, and he emailed a photo to me. I asked if he would sell it and for how much. He said he would sell it to me for $28. I agreed and said I would paypal the money. Around 9:45pm I paypalled the $28 dollars. He PMd saying that he would confirm when package was sent.
I recieved no contact from him over the next four days.
On 11-8-08 I noticed the first Jeers thread toward him, and I PMd him explaining my concerns and asked him to contact me ASAP with shipping confirmation.
I recieved no reply over the next two days.
On 11-10-08 I sent an email to the address from which the photo came, and reiterated the thoughts from my PM, in case he just hadn't logged on to see it.
I recieved no reply.
Today, 11-11-08, I saw the second thread Jeering him, and I PMd the other two members who had attempted to open Jeers threads to see if anyone had any info.
To sum up, I paypalled the money one week ago, and have recieved NO correspondance from danny4u and have not recieved the Keyton I paid him for.
Neither of the other two members who paid him have been able to contact him either.
I think that's the whole story, and I hope it is all within the rules...I tried to just state facts. I think this is something that needs to be talked about.
Thanks,
Nick
Jumpmaster
11-11-2008, 04:48 PM
I would strongly consider contacting paypal about a refund...it is a very bad sign, imho, that none of you all have received any response from him at all.
Good luck...
JM-99
nbp
11-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Agreed. One member has filed a dispute and will shortly be converting that to a claim. Another member, and myself, will also be filing disputes with Paypal.
If anyone has additional thoughts from their previous experiences, feel free to share.
I think that this is also an opportunity for us as a community to think about how we can protect ourselves and each other from unfortunate circumstances like this. If the discussion can be kept civil and the mods/admin are ok with it, maybe that can be considered here as well.
Thanks
Nick
nikon
11-11-2008, 08:36 PM
You should file a PayPal dispute immediately and elevate it to a claim ASAP.
will
11-12-2008, 04:05 AM
Paypal disputes.
Paypal will wait 10 days ( approximate - I don't know the exact number of days ) after a claim/dispute is filed. I believe during that time paypal attempts to contact the person. Make sure you indicate in your notes to paypal the various attempts to contact the seller, giving time and summary of the email to seller.
Solscud007
11-12-2008, 05:10 AM
You should file a PayPal dispute immediately and elevate it to a claim ASAP. You may still have a chance of getting a refund from his PayPal account at this time, but if you wait too long the account will likely have been emptied.
From my bad experiences, an empty or partially empty PP acct doesnt matter.
I sold some car parts for about $3k to pay for an accident I had. Girl met up and picked it up. few days later i get a message from PP that I have been a victim of fraudlent paypal. So they yank my $3k, even though I had deposited a good portion of it. So my acct goes negative. I refused to pay the negative balance. out money and item? plus since the bitch picked up the part, I dont have proof that the transaction occured.
PP is pretty good with the buyer, but really bad with the seller.
JrVargas
11-12-2008, 11:35 AM
In a nut shell that is the same experience I had with that guy...
KEW
11-12-2008, 01:55 PM
I had the same experience with Danny4U. I sent him money and he has sent nothing and will not return PM or email. Does anyone have any info on him, full name, address etc. I have filed with Pay Pal and am going to file a theft report as well. Any info would be most appreciated.
nbp
11-12-2008, 06:55 PM
Alright, so there are at least four members that have had bad experiences with danny4u: myself, fluke, jrvargas, and kew. Paypal disputes have been/are being filed by these members.
KEW brings up a good point as far as legal action...I have no real experience with that sort of thing. Right now, I am primarily concerned about getting my money back, and the other members getting theirs. But does Paypal have some means of initiating legal action if they find that a seller is not simply a poor communicator or slow shipper, but is actually scamming buyers???? I have no idea.
Anyone??
Thanks,
Nick
ergotelis
11-13-2008, 08:13 AM
You could also try to find from where does he send the messages and fill an online claim for the local police, as long as he is in some specific countries. I had done it once for someone in US, they replied to me ,they did some investigation, but nothing happened at the end and i lost $200. But you never know, because you are some people having problems with the specific person, there might be taken some action.
I won't tell anything about the specific case, in previous locked topics i told what i had to.
goldensweeps
11-13-2008, 12:23 PM
I´ve been in a situation like this before on a DVD forum, i got my money back from paypal. cant a moderator find somethimng out? with the IP adress its possible to locate him.
im wondering if he uses his real name. maybe paypal can give information about that?
brighterisbetter
11-13-2008, 12:57 PM
I've not followed through with a transaction yet with danny4u, but he did respond to my WTB thread saying that he had all parts available to ship, but no pictures. I noticed his post count, so I suspiciously responded with something like "What part numbers do you have and how much would you like for them?" So sneakily, after submitting my response, I clicked on his usercp and kept hitting refresh. It changed from 'Private Messaging' to 'Viewing thread xxxxxxxxx', which was my WTB thread. I think he was trying to type verbatim what I was looking for, a hint that he obviously had no idea what he was talking about........if what I'm trying to say makes any sense to you.
So in that respect, maybe my post does not belong here as I haven't lost money over the deal. But I'm trying to add my .02 as to why I think that danny4u is fraudulent and should likely be banned, if they haven't been already. Hope those of you who have been wronged can get everything straightened out.
KEW
11-13-2008, 01:16 PM
I have escalated my pay pal to a claim and have forwarded them the info that I have on Danny4U, and I have requested all the info on him that they have. I doubt that they will use their time and resources to pursue criminal charges in four separate incidents. I will be filing criminal charges in the area I live as that is where the scam happened to me. I would encourage each person to file a report in their area. I don't expect a nationwide manhunt for Mr Virona but at some point it is going to make resolving these issues much more difficult for him. I will keep you posted.
Kid9P
11-13-2008, 02:02 PM
I was selling a Novatac 85 EDC not to long ago.
Danny posted the following on my sale:
Hello!
if its still there, i would like to get in contact with you to buy.
hope you let me know soon!
Well, 2 PM's were sent with never a reply.
He did read my PM's though.
Gave alot of people the impression that this light was sold
when indeed it wasn't. Wasted my time.
I'd be interested to know where in NY he is located
being I live in NYC.:devil:
nbp
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
Actually, I am a bit confused over where he is from. I'll tell you why:
Last night I filed my dispute with Paypal, hoping that I can get my money back, seeing as how I am not likely going to get my Keyton. When I was given the option to choose why I was filing the dispute, I clicked "did not receive item" or something like that. It went through, but I also got a message that said:
IT WAS A CROSS-BORDER TRANSACTION, AND THAT I MAY NEED TO LEAVE MORE THAN A WEEK FOR SHIPPING BECAUSE THE ITEM COULD BE CAUGHT UP IN CUSTOMS.
Cross border?!?!?!?!? I thought he was from NY. Hence, I think that this could go deeper than we think. And if he's in another country, that could make the issues even harder to resolve. Aye, what a mess.
Nick
Daniel_sk
11-13-2008, 03:09 PM
I posted a WTB for a Petzl headlamp, got a PM from danny4u - I guess I had big luck I didn't agree on the transaction :sick2:.
I hope you get your money back - PayPal buyer protection is quite good , I was able to get refunds for several transactions in the past.
The mods can check his IP and see where is he from. At least the country.
Greta
11-13-2008, 05:36 PM
We do have IP information. But the only thing I can tell you is that he is using an IP that is in Spain. I have no further information.
Kid9P
11-13-2008, 05:57 PM
Thanks for the info Greta.
Wow, Spain :ooo:
I wonder if it's harder for PayPal to enforce a refund from someone overseas.
Best of luck guys.
brighterisbetter
11-13-2008, 06:01 PM
It now appears that the user's PM inbox is full and cannot accept any new ones....:(
kpd151
11-13-2008, 06:21 PM
You guys can add me to the list of those folks that got shafted by Danny4u. Last week he responded to my post wanting to buy Atwood Blades or Whistles. He claimed that he had an XL prybaby that he wanted to sell for $40. It wasn't what I was looking for but it was something I didn't have. I sent him $40 plus $4.80 for Priority Mail. He said he would provide the tracking number on the next day but I never heard from him. I tried repeatedly to contact him with no success. I waited until Monday to file a dispute with Paypal. When he didn't respond to that I escalated it to a claim on the following day.
Paypal will give him 10 days to respond but they will freeze the amount owed if it is available in his account. I'll keep my fingers crossed that Paypal comes through but based on their track record I don't have a lot of hope. It would be nice if CPF Admin could continue to monitor his account to see if he tries to rip anyone else. Has anyone checked for him at EDC, USN, bladeforums, etc...? He might show up there as well.
I will post back to this thread with any updated information that I receive. I would ask that others do the same. Maybe we can figure out who he is and make a group trip to Spain. :naughty:
Greta
11-13-2008, 06:41 PM
It now appears that the user's PM inbox is full and cannot accept any new ones....:(
I can fix that... :D
matrixshaman
11-13-2008, 07:28 PM
I see this guy has an ICQ instant message setup which is shown here in his profile. Has anyone tried contacting him that way? Maybe get creative with HOW you portray yourself in contacting him through ICQ and you might find out a bit more about him. :naughty:
kpd151
11-13-2008, 07:52 PM
I see this guy has an ICQ instant message setup which is shown here in his profile. Has anyone tried contacting him that way? Maybe get creative with HOW you portray yourself in contacting him through ICQ and you might find out a bit more about him. :naughty:
I tried but didn't get a reply. I'm sure he is not going to reply to anyone he has screwed. Besides the ICQ, I have two email addresses for him but he doesn't reply anywhere. If anyone whose username would not be recognized would like to try their luck PM me and I will give you the email addresses.
Daniel_sk
11-13-2008, 09:47 PM
I am pretty sure it's not his ICQ number because it's very low ID number, that means it was registered a long time ago (more than 10 years ago). Not very probable he would be using such a number and that he would post his real ICQ number on CPFMP.
nbp
11-14-2008, 06:42 AM
We do have IP information. But the only thing I can tell you is that he is using an IP that is in Spain. I have no further information.
Quote:
Originally Posted by brighterisbetter http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?p=2227260#post2227260)
It now appears that the user's PM inbox is full and cannot accept any new ones....:(
I can fix that... :D
Spain, eh??? I have a friend in Spain....:naughty:
Thanks Greta for your help. ;) I know there isn't anything that you or other Admins can really "DO" about these sort of situations, but I appreciate your concern and your willingness to help out where you can. Top notch service! :thumbsup:
I intend to elevate my dispute to a claim today with Paypal as the other guys have done, and we'll see how it goes. I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks everyone,
Nick
Edit: Dispute elevated to claim.
cy
11-14-2008, 07:58 AM
looking at the few posts by danny4u
http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showpost.php?p=2222610&postcount=2
let's see... he's got 6 posts on cpmf, registered in Oct, no post on CPF proper, uses a hotmail (free email) account (lochdanny.....@......hotmail.com)
don't have his PP account so can't check when he registered at paypal and number of PP transactions. (lochdanny.....@......hotmail.com) shows not able to receive funds. check by trying to send 1 cent to seller. look carefully and you will find date registered and # of completed PP transactions with verified PP members.
these are things I look at before sending PP $$$ to anyone. then if I'm still feeling iffy... I'll send a credit card funded paypal.
all of the above yells RED FLAG.... scammers almost always use a free email account and will never give a phone number.
say if someone has 250+ posts on cpf, only 2 paypal transactions, but registered in 2003 and is verified. he's probably fine.... no scammer registers 5 years ago and is verified by his bank. now that doesn't mean a person cannot still rip you off, just that odds of that person ripping you off is pretty low.
if someone has any number of posts on CPF, it's easy to back track his posts. one can quickly find out what that person is about. NO scammer is going to spend the time to rack up say 250+ posts.
iMHO this is the reason so many cpf'er get complacent about sending PP $$$ to each other. CPF has got to be one of the safest place to do business on the WWW!
RocketTomato
11-14-2008, 08:15 AM
Excellent tips Cy. Should be stickied.
Niconical
11-14-2008, 08:39 AM
We do have IP information. But the only thing I can tell you is that he is using an IP that is in Spain. I have no further information.
Just to reassure everyone, "danny4u" is not my villlainous alter ego, but if there's anything I can do to help, even if it's as simple as geographical knowledge, please don't hesitate to drop me a PM :)
ergotelis
11-14-2008, 08:52 AM
Niconical, you might help a bit, if more info is found you could fill a claim to a police station. There should be some police officers that take action against internet crime. And don't forget that, there might not be only 5 victims from here, there might be much more from somewhere else.
JrVargas
11-14-2008, 11:31 AM
You guys can add me to the list of those folks that got shafted by Danny4u. Last week he responded to my post wanting to buy Atwood Blades or Whistles. He claimed that he had an XL prybaby that he wanted to sell for $40. It wasn't what I was looking for but it was something I didn't have. I sent him $40 plus $4.80 for Priority Mail. He said he would provide the tracking number on the next day but I never heard from him. I tried repeatedly to contact him with no success. I waited until Monday to file a dispute with Paypal. When he didn't respond to that I escalated it to a claim on the following day.
Paypal will give him 10 days to respond but they will freeze the amount owed if it is available in his account. I'll keep my fingers crossed that Paypal comes through but based on their track record I don't have a lot of hope. It would be nice if CPF Admin could continue to monitor his account to see if he tries to rip anyone else. Has anyone checked for him at EDC, USN, bladeforums, etc...? He might show up there as well.
I will post back to this thread with any updated information that I receive. I would ask that others do the same. Maybe we can figure out who he is and make a group trip to Spain. :naughty:
I'm in for the trip.....:naughty:, let me know how your claim goes, I upgraded mine on the 11th
csshih
11-14-2008, 05:29 PM
I got a PM from him a while ago, offered to sell me RCR2s, and he appeared to be a nice guy,
he said that he wasn't using them, and all I needed to cover was the shipping.
Stopped responding though..hmm.
AlexGT
11-16-2008, 07:38 AM
Aparently He tried to sell something over here a while back, same email
So a completely different forum, but very similar username and the same email address, and from a year ago...this just keeps getting weirder. I wonder if that computer he was selling was legit or if someone got scammed. :confused:
AlexGT
11-16-2008, 08:13 AM
Here is more information, I love investigating LOL
I yahooed the username used on that forum and guess what?
WARNING!: Apparently there are security risks accesing the page, do so at your own risk! or look at the screenshot link a few posts down
Link Removed<--- Warning!
Definitely good research Alex. I had the firewall alert too with one of the links.
Radio
11-16-2008, 04:29 PM
I removed the link just in case. Remember, it is a violation to post REAL information such as names addresses and phone numbers but feel free to do whatever you like in private.
AlexGT
11-16-2008, 06:50 PM
Will do Radio!, post has been edited
AlexGT
pete55555
11-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Alex, I clicked your link and every ANTI-virus bell and whistle I have on my PC went crazy. Maybe its just me though.
My computer froze. I then lost my internet connection and couldn't get back online. Had to reboot twice ......:thumbsdow
nbp
11-16-2008, 08:14 PM
This whole thing is so weird...almost creepy. I got used to so many nice people here on CPFMP and CPF, and I forgot there are still a lot of crooks out there. :crazy:
Sooooo, where's the internet police to take care of guys like this? It would seem easy enough to accumulate evidence of fraud; just look at what Alex found in a few hours of hunting.
Arrrrggh. I just want my money back, and to be done with this thing. :mecry:
Jumpmaster
11-16-2008, 08:27 PM
Sooooo, where's the internet police to take care of guys like this? It would seem easy enough to accumulate evidence of fraud; just look at what Alex found in a few hours of hunting.
Sadly, I think the only way to get his operation shut down is if someone in his own country will report his activities to the appropriate authorities there. If the authorities there were to take an interest in shutting him down, I don't think they'd have any trouble gaining access to the kind of information they would need to prove that he has done this on several forums.
JM-99
AlexGT
11-16-2008, 09:02 PM
Sorry to cause you trouble Pete, did you follow the link with the warning or is there another link that is causing the problem? Let me know so I can edit it out.
My apologies
AlexGT
My computer froze. I then lost my internet connection and couldn't get back online. Had to reboot twice ......:thumbsdow
pete55555
11-17-2008, 03:17 AM
Sorry to cause you trouble Pete, did you follow the link with the warning or is there another link that is causing the problem? Let me know so I can edit it out.
My apologies
AlexGT
Not your fault. I followed the original link. I saw it right after you posted it, before anyone knew it was trouble.
:)
JrVargas
11-17-2008, 09:43 AM
I would like to say THANK YOU!!! To all that have researched this danny person, and I hope we all have learned to do a little more homework ourselves...I know I sure have!
I like nbp, fluke, and the others just want this done and $$ back also.
Thanks again ALL!!
yybug
11-17-2008, 11:28 AM
anyone got his/her paypal address? u can get some info there..
