Goncz Flashlight-Ripoff

[K3LAW]

[Moderator: Post edited to delete statement in violation of CNJ Rule #7.]

I sent him money for a M-7 six weeks ago, he cashed my check and kept the money.
I called him after I waited three weeks and did not receive the M-7. He told me it would be at least two more weeks, I cancelled the order and told him to return my money. Several e-mails, and phone calls no response. Now if you call his number your get a machine. He has not returned my money!!! Rip-off, bad business you bet.

[Light-Headed]

Why is it that most of the comments I've heard about this company have been negative? Thanks for the heads up Byron. After his posts in here a few weeks back, I made a mental note to not buy any of these flashlights ever. And I'll pretty much buy any peice of crap someone puts in front of me.....so that's really saying something.

[bwcaw]

Bummer.

[Whistler]

This is scary... images/icons/shocked.gif

I didn't get my M5 yet either... ordered it 4 weeks ago.

Mr Goncz replied that my order information were lost. I got an e-mail that I will get a M3 as compensation for free along with the M5. images/icons/confused.gif

Keeping my fingers crossed...

[lemlux]

I continue to be thankful that I missed a letter in his email address when I tried to email John Goncz money for two battery packs.

Byron, I'm truly sorry to hear that your outcome has devolved into what we feared it might.

[Rothrandir]

well, i'm generally a nice guy, but he shouldn't cheat people, anybody proficient with viruses images/icons/grin.gif

no seriously though, this is horrible and i hope that company gets whats coming to it.

even of the people that did get the lights, the general opinion is "this sucks"

[Kenshiro]

Hey lemlux,

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Byron,

images/icons/frown.gif , then graemlins/icon8.gif and then images/icons/mad.gif

And Whistler,

images/icons/confused.gif now, and hopefully not images/icons/mad.gif

[Skyline]

Gez. Sorry to hear that. I hope you get your money back soon!

[flashfan]

Byron, sorry to hear about your problem, but thanks for the heads up. Curious how someone in the flashlight business seems so intent on alienating flashaholics (aka "customers").

[beamer]

Based on some of Goncz's postings,he alienated me early on.Glad I didn't bother with his stuff.

[agent8698]

Goncz Hi-Tech Handcuffs: http://www.handcuffs.org/wwwboard1/messages/722.htm

Goncz Hi-Tech Pistol: http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1500/1513.htm

Goncz Hi-Tech Flashlights:
http://www.neconos.com/details10a.htm

I have been following some of the posts about Mr Goncz and his flashlights. The man has talent, but he's also his own worst enemy. Mr Goncz had the opportunity to advertise and introduce his high-end product here, to the best pre-qualified group of potential customers, FOR FREE! Obviously Mr Goncz does not understand the value of that, because he took the opportunity and threw it away. Max

[redbird]

I find it real interesting that Goncz has not posted lately to address everyones concerns. If you recall he was a frequent poster as he was getting the lights off the ground.

So, Mr. Goncz...What say you?

[Mugsy]

Does Goncz still make other products or just flashlights now?

[Bushman]

Guys who did not get your lights. Have you considered contacting the United States Postal Inspector regarding Mail Fraud?

[Empath]

Move to Cheers'N'Jeers

[Tombeis]

Empath:

You originally closed this subject. That was the reason for my post. Nice save.

[saunterer]

You might want to try http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp . I have a friend that has been stiffed a couple of times with internet transactions, and had 100% recovery after contacting them.

Might want to give it a try.

** edit ** 10/20 - In hindsight, I'm not implying that one should take action against anyone contained in this thread, but thought I'd drop this URL to the masses in case of past, present, future web-based transactions go sour.

[Tombeis]

DavidW:

If someone was a known sex offender would it be against the spirit of CPF to publish his name? images/icons/smile.gif

[G.L.JOHN]

I posted My statement at the other subject, but in short Byron You statement is incorect and put the facts on the table:

You approached us, that you would like to buy the light, but you have no money because you working as a security guard at College. So we felt sorry for you and asked you how much can you spend? ...about $100.00 and the rest in 2 - 3 weeks the rest... You sent us the $100.00 for for a $220.00 light.

We promissed You the light, that we will send you and pay for it as you can. We shiped you the light on goodwill, that you will pay us as you can. So we will watch when we get the rest.

They were priority shipments that was important and in the mean time we still did not received any other payment from you.

That we shiped the god we have the documents and on top of it you us for the shipping that you can see it on the packege.

AS of now all the orders were shipped except for the 3 inch reflector that we are perfecting it.

So next time state the facts and do not twist it around!!!

All others that voiced their opinions are about in the same category as he is as you have to hear both side of the stories.

As to the sales on the Forum we had few sales and they do not make a difference.

And you acussing us of fraud: "go and speak to you mama and ask hear to raise you to tale the thruth... always."

[Light-Headed]

Originally posted by G.L.JOHN:
As to the sales on the Forum we had few sales and they do not make a difference.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think an upstanding gentleman at Arc Flashlights would disagree with you on the difference we can make. Especially when we aren't dealt with in a condescending manner. The people on this forum have bought literally thousands of lights from him and will continue to do repeat business with him in the years to come.

***edit***
I just saw Mr. Goncz post below this one. I thought I recognized that gun from a movie. Thinking back on the movie "Total Recall", that must be it. Very cool.

[G.L.JOHN]

AGENT

You posted some links that have incorrect info.

When it comes to my inventions there are some:
The Goncz Hi-Tech weapons, manufactured by my Company and was used in combat and in TOTAL RECALL, Arnolds and Sharons gun, (look for credits)
Assasins Sylvester Stallone and Antonio Bandera, Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston and many others Soul 007, Action Jackson and many more...

The Original Goncz are sold on the actions for up of 5 to 7,000.00 each.

This was just to correct some of the info was posted.

As we are not following the forum any longer that the reason was no posting.

Cordially,

P.S. Whistler You shipment was sent and in private mail I will give you the tracking numbers

[bigcozy]

More strangeness. This is from the website showing his pistol. This pistol has a striking similarity to other guns made around the 80's, like the AP-9. He mentions here he is making a "new" pistol with improvements that aren't exactly earth shattering. It's the tone that seals the deal for me. I am an engineer and also an inventor. I would like to see some patent numbers so I can do some research. This gun looks like nothing more than something cobbled together from existing weapons. Here is the text of his statement, typos are his:

Subject: Goncz Hi-Tech Weapons

Dear Sir,
Just some clarification in your statement as to the Goncz / Claridge
The Goncz was invented, designed and produced by Me.

There was a business transaction where they bought 50% of
the business and ones they got access to the technical data
they thought they are in the driver seat started a new company
by Claridge Hi-Tech and tried to take over the entire operation
and renamed the firearms they produced as Claridge. They even
claimed it that they invented it. (Gail Claridge an interior decorator,
and her husband Joe an ex policeman, who did not know what a reamer
is.) Before they came into the picture the weapons were in production
and they were sold and now they are as a collector items valued
between 5 and $15,000 each.

You stating that they improved on it is false and misstatement.
The facts are what they produced it is f!@#$%^& garbage and a
dangerous firearm by adding the bolt/hold back part, which as you
releasing the bolt, chances are that the firing pin is release and fires
the chambered cartridge...

They never had the tooling for the magazines double row, double feed
19 round, they provided a single double row single feed magazine
that they bought as a after market cheep magazines.
The receiver the Goncz are made of 4130 alloy, machined out of a
solid piece. top quality bears my name. They guns have a cheap
duct pipe receiver with silver soldered plug to hold the barrel.
After the litigation of Patent infringements, intellectual property
misuse and Fraud in the U.S. Federal court I put them out
business....the mother !@#$%^&*(.s'

These are the facts and you may post this info on your Web Page...
Additional info is that we are working on the New Goncz Hi-Tech, Gen. II.
and soon will be on the market complying to the new laws. Some features:
Safety on both sides, last shot: bolt stays open, magazine release on both sides
and a lighter polymer grip. Let me let you in on a secret, they will be also chambered
for the Belgium 5.4 mm x 28 cartridge.

If you want to be posted on the advancement keep in touch.

Cordially,
Lajos John Goncz

The URL:http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1400/1457.htm

[G.L.JOHN]

bigcozy
Give some facts cobled up maybe from Yours?
How but some facts? Not hot air?

[B@rt]

Originally posted by bigcozy:
This pistol has a striking similarity to other guns made around the 80's, like the AP-9. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">http://www.bmwfirearms.com/bmw_pages/AP9.JPG
AA Arms AP 9
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p6910cbf110f95ce5c74a608b6c46a41e/fd064d37.jpg
GONCZ HIGH-TECH GA-9

Wich simularities? graemlins/icon3.gif

[Light-Headed]

They both have barrels, grips, triggers, sights, etc. images/icons/grin.gif

[larry]

Originally posted by G.L.JOHN:

As we are not following the forum any longer that the reason was no posting.

[/QB]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thank you John, I hope you're a man of your word.

Larry

[Tombeis]

Brightnorm:

I think your deleated post was in excellent taste.

If you ever get to Cleveland, dinner is on me.

[dano]

Goncz, please check your email regarding my final transaction with you, and the status of the pending resolution from you.

--dan

[brightnorm]

Originally posted by Tombeis:
Brightnorm:

I think your deleated post was in excellent taste.

If you ever get to Cleveland, dinner is on me.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thanks Tom, but perhaps it was a little "over the top".

Brightnorm

[bigcozy]

Bart. and Light Headed, look at the top of the weapon. The bottom is just polymer, all he had to do was move the top end of a Tec 9 or AP 9 reward so it would feed through the pistol grip. You don't want a pistol to hang over that far behind the pistol grip because you have to change your hand position if the pistol is below your shoulder. That is why simple blow back 9mm's are not made this way. A problem anyone would spot, unless you were just to modify an existing weapons platform. According to this source only a few prototypes were made. Movie prop masters modify existing weapons all the time to make them look futuristic.

As for hot air, I think you have provided plenty Mr. Goncz. I don't understand how a genius of your apparent ability can't spell, maybe that is why so many of your orders haven't been delivered. As for facts, well how about some patent numbers? Or a FFL number? Or just your phone number so these guys could get in touch with you.

[Bright Scouter]

I've watched these threads for a while now. In the beginning, hoping for a better mousetrap, er,,,light. I'm always looking for a better, cheaper light. When they shipped and started being tested, it sounded interesting. As problems arose, it got less interesting. Now, facts, lies, or whatever not withstanding, I won't buy one. It could turn out to be the best light I have ever seen and I still wouldn't. I can't fathom why a dealer would berate someone so harshly in an open forum like this. That is not the customer service to build a business on.

I suppose all of this is very obvious and I've said nothing new, but if you want a long term, profitable business, you need to change your tone when working with your customers!

Del

[G.L.JOHN]

bigcozy,

The picture speack for itself.

The first Goncz Hi-Tech pistol was made in 1984 the compared gun was produced about 1994 or so.
Borrowing something from 10 years ahead would be dificult but in your world maybe possible.

I can state for the facts that part and others were borowed from my designs.

The Goncz Hi-Tech weapons were featured on 7 front covers and all other books in and was revied in 8 languages.

As to the speling so what? I speak 6 languages and in english I make mistakes.

As you describing the gun designs it reflects that you have no idea about gun designs.

You have patents, let us hear What?

[Tombeis]

Brightnorm:

Not any more "over the top" then this thread.

The dinner invitation stands.

[e=mc²]

"You have patents, let us hear What? "

Translation of the above, please?

I don't even know, definitions I see Where?

e-

[G.L.JOHN]

Some one was braging about his invention.
So where is it.
Let us hear it and see it?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I am not sure to whom or what you are referring to Mr. Goncz, but since I was just referring in another thread to your flyer that states you are a world-renowned designer of hi-tech medical equipment, I hope you don't mind elaborating a bit and informing us of some of your medical equipment designs, where and how they are used, and the source of the renown if you will. I would like to add that this is the first communication between us, and I don't think I have participated in any of your threads.

Thanks,

Jim

[Sigman]

Ok..now I'm temporarily out of my "special dark place" images/icons/wink.gif ...What's going on here? Why must the individuals perpetuate this narration? Sounds like a lot of rock throwing & name calling going on? Am I mistaken? Do I have a misconception of this thread?

Mr. Goncz do you owe product or monies to any of the members here? If so, then can it be settled in a professional business type manner? If not, have you explained to the individuals who feel "harmed" why you don't owe them reparation?

If any member here feels they have been "ripped off", have all the details been presented to Mr. Goncz? If so and if he has not made reparations, then perhaps other legal steps need to be taken?

Ok..sorry if you feel I have no say in this, however this a public forum and "name calling" can be done in private. Perhaps everyone needs a "private room" to conduct this in?

I feel it should be public if a vendor or member is perhaps less than honest and others need to know so they too don't suffer through the same events.

Comments? Forgive me if I don't get further involved. I'm not meaning to "step on anyone's toes" at all...I'll just avoid this thread in the future (honest!). images/icons/wink.gif

[Light-Headed]

Originally posted by G.L.JOHN:
Some one was braging about his invention.
So where is it.
Let us hear it and see it?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">.
Well.....since you asked.....here they are. I think these are at least as cool as that gun thing up above.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/pee93e4a376c4ccf431e48158e0d2a242/fd04be3d.jpg
Printer for Idiots (U.S. Patent# 385729582712)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p8379d7549253754d2ce9955a7ffef461/fd04be3b.jpg
Sunglasses for Asses (U.S. Patent# 385729582712)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p512abec46d1b762cb1c4f7558ccddcff/fd04be3a.jpg
Subway Sleeper Hat (U.S. Patent# 385729582712)

[Sigman]

Light-Headed - I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard!

OOOooooops, I said I was going to avoid this thread! I need punished...I'm going back to my "special dark place"!

[darkgear.com]

LOL got me laughing too. I especially like the first one...

[Light-Headed]

I just couldn't resist the challenge fellas. http://www.boybliss.net/ubb/graemlins/lol.gif

[e=mc²]

Light-headed, ditto to what Sigman said. I doubled over in laughter, I nearly passed out. Where did you get those pics. I thank you for a much needed laugh which I haven't had in a loooong time. That was classic.

Ed.
PS. if there is a website with stuff like that on it, please share it with us. With pics like that, who needs Prozac.

[Light-Headed]

Here ya go:

http://mistupid.com/pictures/page011.htm

Scroll down to the bottom of the screen and click on the links towards the left for more.

You can also do a google search for STUPID INVENTIONS and entertain yourself all day. images/icons/grin.gif

[Sigman]

My wife couldn't understand what all the laughter was...had to check it out. She's not been reading the thread so "wasn't in-touch". I tried to explain...

I don't think I'm going to let her touch my flashlights anymore!

(ya ever see the movie "Office Space" - the guy who got fired years ago and kept coming to work and didn't want anyone to touch his stapler?)

[Light-Headed]

I never saw that movie. Is it good? If so, I'll make a point to rent it.

Here's another interesting invention fact from this website:

http://www.1001uselessfacts.com/search.asp

The name of the inventor of the modern day toilet was Thomas Crapper.

Thank goodness......I would have hated to have to go sit on the Gonczer. It probably would have either lit up or shot me in the butt. graemlins/yellowlaugh.gif

[Slick]

Originally posted by Light-Headed:
The name of the inventor of the modern day toilet was Thomas Crapper.

Thank goodness......I would have hated to have to go sit on the Gonczer. It probably would have either lit up or shot me in the butt. graemlins/yellowlaugh.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Or worse yet... never get your Gonczer delivered? images/icons/frown.gif

Then you'd have to "hold it" images/icons/shocked.gif

[Light-Headed]

Originally posted by Sigman:
I don't think I'm going to let her touch my flashlights anymore!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Is that what married couples are calling it these days? http://www.boybliss.net/ubb/graemlins/biglaugha.gif

[darkgear.com]

K you know all the normal people are going to wake up this morning, read all that we posted, and wonder what happen to their nice normal Forums.

To all the normal people that are sleeping right now. WISH YOU WERE HERE images/icons/smile.gif

[Sigman]

WHAT?...I see "normal" people..HERE?...I don't think so! images/icons/grin.gif

[darkgear.com]

OH YEAH!! I forgot. We are the people who spend more on flashlights every month than most people spend on food... What was I thinkin.